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The Bible DOES Support Abortion!!!!

  Author:  16612  Category:(Debate) Created:(5/28/2001 2:44:00 PM)
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The majority of Christians are pro-life (anti-abortion). They rationalize this by saying that it is killing a human being, which is against the commandment which states "Thou shalt not kill.".



The Bible actually does not condemn abortion.The Bible says that the fetus is not considered by God to be a living organism until the head is crowned, which means until the baby's head is out of the mother.



I support abortion because I think it prevents future criminals, which would be a likely result of children who are brought up in broken homes that cannot provide the right care or parenting. Population is way too large already.



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Date: 5/28/2001 2:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 10798    Where on earth did you ever hear something like that? Give me the scripture reference.  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 31858    but still thats the killing of another human WHICH is wrong according to god!!!  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    I cant debate you on this because I have never read any of this in the Bible... What scripture did you see that in? I would be interested in reading it... thanks   
Date: 5/28/2001 2:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 30093    Hey man, please tell me where you saw this at, ive gotta look this up. If this is true then my views may totally be turned around!  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 15338    give me the number and section it is in! I doubt that is true! God wouldnt think that way!
love-
  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 35604    Lucky your mum didnt think the same way you did. (Personally I believe its the womens choice and NOBODY ELSEs) ......{Tyler}
Date: 5/28/2001 2:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 18551    oh, and yes, i have never seen this scripture either. i think someones been pullin your leg...  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 18551    wasnt it john the baptist, who lept in his mothers womb, when she stood next to a pregnant mary? he lept in the womb out of joy, knowing christ was in marys womb...  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 9713    Nanaki, are you saying that just because the bible says something, it could change YOUR opinion on something?? I think that abortion is wrong, unless the baby and mother are in danger of dying or something serious like that. Everyone, even future criminals, deserve a chance. Who knows, maybe that baby is the next president who will actually do something good for the country.  
Date: 5/28/2001 2:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 17693    personally i dont think abortion is how most of these people think it. I think it also depends on how far into the pregnancy you do it. And also it is the womans choice. And no one thinks of this poor kid being raised unwanted and unloved. If i had a choice in my birth...i really wouldnt want that. No one even thinks of the lives revolved around this baby and only think OH MURDER! People are much too close minded  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 36459    Ditto from me, if this is anywhere in Bible, I must have missed it! Also: You support abortion as a method of preventing future criminals? Hey are you trying to start a debate or somethin'?  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 17795    i personally aint bothered what the bible says, i believe abortion is ok  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 30312    I am not meaning this as any offense to anyone. Believe what you want to believe. My opinion in abortion is...people who kill their children are just to lazy to be mature enough to either keep your legs closed or get on birth control. I have 3 kids and never in my life would I dream of having killed any of them. I would kill myself before I would ever kill an unborn baby. I am very against abortion just like most things in life anymore people take it for granted and find a short cut for their short comings. I do not know how old you are but how would you like it if you never had the chance to even find out what you could have been in life. My children come from a single parent home. Dog me if you like. I would rather have my 3 kids than divorces or their fathers there to screw them up even worse. Children learn from their parents. My kids, I cant guarantee, wont be criminals. I will kick their butts long before they get the chance to harm or steal from anyone. Criminals come from other things besides being born. When babies are born, they are not screwed up, it comes from certain things in the environment like mean people, and people who dont care enough to quit torchering and hurting peoples feelings. Some even comes from the parents not caring or providing them with the discipline that they need. I am not current on the Bible, but I would be really curious to see the verse you are talking about. There should only be 2 reasons anyone ever gets an abortion. 1 is if you are raped, 2 if you are molested. Any other reason I do not think is good grounds, it is the mothers and fathers faults for not being careful and practicing safe sex. I am sorry if I sound harsh, but people just do not realize how many women are out there who cannot have children. My aunt has endomitriosis (sp) and when she would get pregnant, the tumors would eat the fetus therefore killing it. She adopted a beautiful baby who is now 15, and then my mom had a baby for her, and she is now 12. They are well taken care of and get to travel a lot. They want and need for nothing. The oldest, her mom did not want her, my mom talked her in to letting my aunt and uncle adopt her and it is probably the smartest thing that woman ever did. I just wish people would quit trying to take the easy way out and realize how they are hurting others. My aunt doesnt necessarily want anymore, but she still cries when she hears about babies being killed and aborted by young and careless people. Babies are people too, regardless of what other people try to prove, from the day they are conceived, they are people. ~DaisyDolly~  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 30229    I disagree with abortion, and I dont get your take on the "future criminals" I dont understand what you mean. I have seen people that have had horrific home lives (growing up) and they are fine productive adults now... is that the kind you mean? I have seen and known people who have lived in horrible abuse, drug abuse by parents, alcoholic parents, single parent families, sexual abuse, and they over come all that to make THEIR lives the way they want it. Just because someone grows up like that does NOT mean they will be that way....  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 23956    I have often heard that old cliche that we do not want to bring any children into a world like this, how ridiculous, this is the only world we have, and we have it so good in this country as compared to others, we are born into this world for a reason, and suffering is part of that reason. Logan51
Date: 5/28/2001 3:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 25508    I do not believe abortion is right. Read the story of Jacob and Esau. The Lord said to Rebekah their mother while they were still in the womb. "Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other. and the older will serve the younger." (Gen. 253) When the twins were still in the womb God thought of them as people. He knew them, one would be strong, one would be weak, one would serve the other. God loves little children.
Date: 5/28/2001 3:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 31783    First of all, I am pro-life and I am not Christian. I don't need a book to tell me what is wrong or right. I try to look at all angles and make a decision from there. I understand your not wanting babies to grow up in bad homes. Why not be pro-adoption? BTW The big reason we are so populated is b/c of medical advancements. Our elderly are living longer. B/c of vaccines more children survive to adulthood etc etc. Let's just off our elderly at say 60 yrs old. They've already had a life. (Yes, I'm being sarcastic about offing the elderly) ~Jetamio~  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 24555    I agree with you 16612. I think abortion is ok as long as the female doesn't keep on doing it. And yes the population is large already. I'd rather a female get one then have a million kids running around, getting hurt, killed because the mother isn't watching them and also welfare. Good post.  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:51:00 PM  From Authorid: 35042    I disagree with the fact that most Christians are Anti-abortion. 99% of peeps would agree that there are ALWAYS circumstances where abortion is the right thing. A rape for example. A girl who gets pregnant when she is too young, and stands NO chance of looking after or caring for the child properly. If you agree with either of these, and yet believe youself to be Anti-Abortion, then you need to think again. The Pro-life lobby (the extremists of which has been known to car-bomb and mail-bomb abortion workers and clinics!!) requires the acceptance of NEVER allowing an abortion - and yet why not in either of the scenarios I have described? It is up to the individual, and up to no one else. TSK  
Date: 5/28/2001 3:59:00 PM  From Authorid: 33925    Ok, I am going to take some offense to what you said Daisy Dolly...I myself had an abortion 6 years ago..I am the mother of 4 and I love my children more than life itself..I didnt have the abortion because I didnt know enough to keep my legs closed or forgot to take my birth control pills! I was not being lazy or irresponsible! After my fourth child was born, I had my tubes tied...but what the dr.s and myself didnt know is that I was pregnant when those tubes were tied..I didnt figure out that I was pregnant until a month afterwards when I didnt start my period..I went to the dr..had an ultra sound done, and found out that the baby was in what was left of my tubes..I decided that the best thing for me to do was to abort the fetus, rather than risk my own life. To me I did the only thing I could do..What would have happened to my other 4 children if I had of decided to let nature take its course and the tube ruptured and I died and my children are left without a mother?? And I am also not some young person who was just out there and screwed up..I am a happily married woman, and this was one of the hardest decisions I have EVER had to make..Please dont be so judgemental in the future..until you have walked a mile in someone elses shoes you have no right to condemn them for the decisions that they make concerning their own body! xoxo Ladyluck  
Date: 5/28/2001 4:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    Hi Tesser..Would you please tell me where you have found the following in the Bible?.." The Bible says that the fetus is not considered by God to be a living organism until the head is crowned"..Sincerely Rusure  
Date: 5/28/2001 4:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 18103    I have not seen this scripture in the Bible. Tell us where this is found.  
Date: 5/28/2001 4:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 31783    TSK is right. Most people do see certain reasons for abortions. If my baby did not stand much of a chance I would abort it. ie- it had no brain, extremely deformed. Or if I found out that for some medical reason I would not survive a pregnancy and/or birth. I personally would not abort due to rape. If I thought I would discriminate against the child I would put it up for adoption. I personally would not want my young daughter to abort. I will make it clear to her that while I don't want her to be active, that would not nearly disappoint me as bad as killing my grandchild would. I will raise my grandchild if need be. Others could be put up for adoption. My sister is looking to adopt presently. (If anyone here has an unwanted pregnancy, please message me) She sure doesn't care if the baby's bio-mom is 14 or if the baby was a product of rape. The reason I have a problem with abortion being totally pro-choice is this. There are ALOT of abortions from women who want to play, but not to pay. Actions have consequences. It is irresponible to get an abortion just b/c your not ready to deal with the consequences. The first time I was active I knew the birth control could fail. I knew what would happen if it did. I'm not saying abortion should NEVER be an option. It should just have very strict guidelines. Also, when someone goes in to seek an aboriton, they should get counsoling. Part of that should be on adoption. ~Jetamio~  
Date: 5/28/2001 5:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 33803    Oh brother......you can rationalize(sp?) it all you want. You know it's not right  
Date: 5/28/2001 5:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16612    No, I think abortion is alright. Abortions are great because it keeps the population from getting much higher, and we really don't need anymore stupid ppl in the world.  
Date: 5/28/2001 5:37:00 PM  From Authorid: 34361    That's just ridiculous...John the Baptist had a name, and a destiny before he was even born! What if his mother had aborted him????  
Date: 5/28/2001 6:14:00 PM  From Authorid: 31783    Ok Tessek- So by that rationale, what Hitler did was okay. The Oklahoma City bombing was a good thing. Those things cut down the population. ~Jetamio~  
Date: 5/28/2001 6:27:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16612    You're demented if you think that Hitler and McVeigh did good things!  
Date: 5/28/2001 7:06:00 PM  From Authorid: 31783    I don't think they did good things. You said the population needs to be cut down and they did that. ~Jetamio~  
Date: 5/28/2001 7:14:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16612    Oh, I thought you were saying they were good. Doing things like what they did is wrong, because those are living ppl that have established lives.An unborn baby has never even lived in the world, so it has no connections and no established life, so aborting it really doesn't matter.  
Date: 5/28/2001 7:39:00 PM  From Authorid: 31783    hmmm... What to say to that? I think it does matter. There are so many people that want those "unwanted" babies. I have wanted children since I was 3 and my mother told me I could someday. Luckily I am able to reproduce. How would I feel if I couldn't? I would be hoping and praying someone would give me such a wonderful gift as their "unwanted" baby. ~Jetamio~  
Date: 5/28/2001 7:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 32789    i know a very wealthy family who had a daughter and a son. the son was spoiled rotten and given everything he desired. he was also backhanded across rooms and had all of his teeth rot out of his mouth. he had sex with his sister, so she was sent to london to live with relatives. he has raped 6 girls 14 to 16 that i know of and impregnated 3 of them. he still lives free, and no authority will touch him. why? wealth and power. what has this to do with abortion? he would never have been aborted, but all of the sweet babies he brought into the world by brutal rape would. your monsters generally come from wealthy, powerful families. don't kid yourselves. it is only up to the woman whether to carry her fertilized egg or not. meru
Date: 5/28/2001 8:07:00 PM  From Authorid: 36690    What about these women who drink,smoke and do drugs to harm the babies while they are developing.You never see any pro-lifers talking about punishing these people........
Date: 5/28/2001 8:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    I talked with an ultra sound technician as she was doing an ultra sound on my daughter-in-law and she told me that she has picked up hearts beats in unborn babies as early as 5 weeks..As these babies continue to grow from a "seed",then it has to have life..Choosing to end life is where the deep wrong is..Simply because the unborn child isn't aware of his/her surroundings doesn't mean the child doesn't have life..An unborn child has begun developing nerve endings, etc by the 2 month..It is these nerve endings which sends pain messages to the brain..Just how well the brain is developed at that time to pick up on that pain?It is very likely that an unborn child at 2 months into the pregnancy,can feel some pain..What gets me is this "How could anyone possibly know what an unborn child feels?"..There is no way anyone can experienced this themselves in order to be absolutely sure..Also as I said.. The child is growing which shows the child has life..Anyone guilty of taking a life,unborn or not is killing a human being..In the O.T. anyone who intentionally caused a woman to lose her unborn child paid for that crime.. So..God's Word does not support abortions.. Sincerely Rusure  
Date: 5/28/2001 8:42:00 PM  From Authorid: 5484    NO,Jesus knows the name of the child before it is born,it is in jeremiah  
Date: 5/28/2001 8:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 5484    people need to be educated about birth control,babies arent ddisposable lighters  
Date: 5/28/2001 9:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 17525    Boy Tessek, you're playing with fire here.... Peace,  
Date: 5/28/2001 9:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 29919    Wop-pah! So many people are going to get mad at you... hehe... j/k But I don't know if the bible supports abortion because at that time abortion didn't really existed - but you're right, there is an over-population and mathematically (according to the exponential formula) - the earth's natural resources can only sustain us for another 30 years. Scary thought! ~XxSuaveoO~
Date: 5/28/2001 10:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 30228    Right on!! Thank you!! I agree and that is a good point.
Date: 5/28/2001 10:34:00 PM  From Authorid: 35629    How in the world would anyone know which kind of child they would be killing if that is you reason for thinking abortion is right.I mean people could be killing someone that ends world hunger or cures cancer.Not every baby aborted is some terrible person.And just because people are raised in a broken home does not mean they are going to grow up to be killers or some sort of criminal.People should wise up and just stop having unprotected sex.By the way you never answered where in the bible you found the scripture that condones abortion.......nightmaregal  
Date: 5/28/2001 11:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 36352    First of all where does the Bible say that. Secondly I've said it before and I'll say it again The bible controdicts itself alot and is very hard to understand. Some People work it to say what ever they want it to say to there advantage so they can free themselves of guilt. . I was raised in a broken home and turned out fine. I have two children who I love and adore and I'm a wonderful mommy. my husband was concieved through rape his mom almost oborted him. I could'nt imagine my life without him he's a wonderful man and a great gift to the world. God only knows how many good people where lost because of abortion. There are many crimanals in the world that had decent home lifes and still turned out to be idiots. You have a right to your opinion don't get me wrong. But since you think the population is so large any way rather than kill an innocent child that can't defend itself how would you like it if someone offered to narrow the population by taking you out. No offense just trying to make a point. And why get rid of the criminals i mean most are killers are'nt they helping the world out by narrowing the population? Don't be offended just truely think about it. Love, Angelbelle  
Date: 5/29/2001 3:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 30229    I keep coming back here to see you post WHERE in the Bible you get this...But you havent... Please tell us WHERE...k? I agree with a few above who make the point of "abortion" used as birth control.. Guidelines arent nearly good enough...  
Date: 5/29/2001 6:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 21209    a fetous isn`t a human, it can`t breath alone, it can`t eat alone, its totally incapable. It can`t with stand anything, i`m for abortion if the mum has reasons for not having a baby (genuine reasons, not like the b/f forgot to wear a johnny) then get rid of the feotus...all it is is a bit of mush, innit
Date: 5/29/2001 6:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 21897    Tessek.....please tell me where the Bible says that. I'm for abortion- and this would be a great argument, IF it's true. So are you just joking or does it really say that somewhere in the Bible? I'm only asking because even after everybody's asked you to tell us the verses, you haven't. What's up?  
Date: 5/29/2001 7:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 17516    I'm pro-choice, but this post still bothers me and I'll tell you why. I feel the author has either misrepresented something that was said in the bible, or just repeated something he heard. Otherwise he would have supplied the chapter and verse to this. So, author, tell us please, WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN THIS BE FOUND. You should put up, or....well you know. You cannot debate something effectively by making up facts to support your argument.  
Date: 5/29/2001 7:38:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    A poem with a point: STOP AND IMAGINE All alone your baby cries.Inside your womb she tries desperatley to hide. she cries out loud from fear and pain, here where once was safe she wants to remain. How can you do this it's just not fair? From your body this innocent baby you let them tear. You tell yourself you won't regret because after all it can't feel anything anyway it's not even a real baby yet. But you have to know that that's just not true! STOP AND IMAGINE HOW YOU WOULD FEEL IF YOUR MOTHER WAS KILLING YOU!!! ***Open your eyes and have a heart, please stop tearing innocent lives apart*** Love&life, ANgelBelle  
Date: 5/29/2001 7:44:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    Some one who falls ill and are put on a breathing machine can't eat alone can't breath alone and are incabible should we kill them? A.B  
Date: 5/29/2001 8:00:00 AM  From Authorid: 31673    Well, if you're going to make that kind of claim, you need to supply chapter and verse to back you up! Where does it say this ?!?!? ~Melodious  
Date: 5/29/2001 8:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 35572    If you don't believe in abortion, then don't have one. But as soon as we start legislating medical procedures then we start to lose any sense of autonomy about our own bodies. Abortion really is less about "is this or is this not murder?" and is really more about who we allow to make decisions for us.  
Date: 5/29/2001 9:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    To the author above: If you give birth to a child are they part of your body.  
Date: 5/29/2001 9:08:00 AM  From Authorid: 35572    Again, I'm not arguing the "murder" side of this. I agree that what you're doing is stopping a life. But I am not willing to allow the legislation of health care. I just can't see how that is appropriate at all.  
Date: 5/29/2001 9:15:00 AM  From Authorid: 21209    to author 36352: thats a very nice poem, but a feotus can't feel its own leg let alone pain....its not like its being hurt. at that stage it is not alive, its not self conscious.....they`re like ants...if an ant was botherin u, u`d step on it...it probably won`t even notice, its not self aware, neither are feotus`s....
Date: 5/29/2001 9:57:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    Is that what you think? Thats just what people say so they don't have to feel guilty "it can't feel anything. Lets talk facts. First trimester abortion the doctor first paralizes the cervical muscle ring (womb Opening) then stretches it open he then inserts a hollow plastic tube which has a knife like edge on the tip, into the uterus. The suction tears the babys body into peices. He then cuts the deeply rooted placenta from the inner wall of the uteris. The suction is 29 times more powerful than a home vaccum cleaner. a second trimester abortion consists of a concentrated salt solution being injected into the Amnotic fluid. The baby breaths and swallows it, is poisoned struggles and sometimes convulses! It takes over an hour for the baby to die! When sucessful the mother then goes into labor about one day later and delivers a dead baby(had to deliver anyway could have given up for adoption). Third trimester abortion 80% of the babies are normal most are viable the entire infant is delivered but the head. Scissors are jammed into the base of the scull a tube inserted into the scull and the brain is sucked out. There are far more second and third trimester abortions than first. So the babies are being delivered anyway why not alive? There are about 2 million people waiting to adopt many want 2or 3 kids. over 50% of women who have an abortion repeat to have another. Any one with any sense knows if you have sex you could get pregnant. If you don't want to be pregnant don't have sex. 1% or less pregancies are from incest, 2 in 1,000 from rape. That means the rest came from either not using protection or it not being used properly. And if it fails thats something you know could happen any time you have sex, but happens rarely with educating yourself. Love, Angelbelle. P.s wheres the guy who started this whole debate I'm still waiting for him to tell where the bible says its okay!  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:02:00 AM  From Authorid: 16442    Angelbelle it is nice to know you are so well versed in the anti-abortion propaganda, but until you have walked a mile in anothers shoes, you cannot begin to know what goes through their mind. I said this on another post and I will say it here, I have some very dear friends here at USM who have to live with the mistake they made (yes, the abortion) everyday of their lives. They cry and detest themselves for the decision they made and its people like you who can send them over the edge. So my advice to you would be to think about who you might affect when you are typing out your words.  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:05:00 AM  From Authorid: 21209    but the baby is not self aware, it won`t know the difference....You may list as many facts as u want, the babies, all though may it look horrific, won`t be able to tell......they are hardly developed....cut your arm, the dead cells don`t notice do they.....if this baby is going to be brought up in a bad life, probably better to end it when before it experiences the mental and probably physical pain of later life..eh?
Date: 5/29/2001 10:20:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    Moon, I would never try to push someone over the edge. This is however a debate to which I have every right to state my opinion just as you do. And you just stated your self "ThE MISTAKE". We all make mistakes in life, we all do things out of desperation thinking we have no choice. I don't down anyone for that. But if the choice is'nt there then innocent babies won't have to die. I should say fewer because there would still be the occasional backdoor abortions. When I make a mistake I do everything in my power to educate others so maybe they won't follow in my footsteps. And i don't repeat my mistakes many women repeat abortion. There was a lady on the news who had 9! And for author - 21209 If I have a newborn baby, put a pair of scissors through it's scull and kill it I can garuntee you I would go to jail even though the baby did'nt no any better as to what I was doing.  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    Futher more, many of the people that support aborters have never had children themselves. I've felt my children inside of me. I've looked into there eyes and wiped there tears and felt there sweet kisses upon my face. After that i value there life more than anything or anyone and would never disregard a life. Or a fetus as you might have it, which moves and breaths. I love everyone here and I respect your opinions. And I don't judge you for things you've done in your life. Thats not my place it's Gods. But if i could change one mind and save one life by giving facts and stating my opinion, then that to me is worth far more than spareing someones feelings, I'm sorry. Love *ANGELBELLE*  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:33:00 AM  From Authorid: 19092    I have been unable to locate the scripture that contains anything like what you elude to. Can you please post the scripture?? My guess is that you can't, because it ain't there.  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    Thank you king i agree! Love, Angelbelle  
Date: 5/29/2001 10:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 20296    Yeah..where in the bible does it say this. I am very curious. my guess is that you cant back up your debate....am I right???? why waste our time??? but you are entitled to your own opinion...and that is exactly what this is. opinion, not debate.  
Date: 5/29/2001 11:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 35273    I am pro-choice, however it is interesting to note that the majority of women who have abortions are middle - upper middle class. ~Chandira
Date: 5/29/2001 11:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 36352    again to auther 21209 you said the fetus is not alive! The dictionary defines obortion as follows: the termination of pregnancy resulting in or closely followed by the death of the embreyo or fetus. If it's not alive how could it be terminated to death? As for legislation of heath care why judge doctors who assist in suicides. there patients chose to die. And if the population needs to be down sized and we don't want all these kids from broken homes running around why not bomb orfanages? You take a mother who has just had a baby. She's a good woman shes trying her best to take care of this baby but it wont stop crying no matter what she does. Shes having a hard time paying the bills the phones ringing off the wall with bill collecters and no one will give her a hand or a break. She sitts and thinks about it and decides that this baby as well as herself will never have a decent life. So she puts a pillow over this baby's head and suffocates it while it sleeps. Does she get away with it? No! Whats the difference? At least she faced what she was doing. Love,ANGELBELLE  
Date: 5/29/2001 12:35:00 PM  From Authorid: 12600    Where is it that the bible states that? I presume you are avoiding this question because it's not there. It's fine to have an opinion and fine if you want to debate it but don't just make up stuff to support your beliefs. ~peace~  
Date: 5/29/2001 12:41:00 PM  From Authorid: 16442    Tessek, I really think you should have done your research before posting this as a debate.  
Date: 6/13/2001 10:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 13897    whoa there, Tess...looks like you need to give them some evidence. LOL. (^_^) but hey, i'm with you on this one.  
Date: 6/13/2001 7:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 30477    holy crap, just the title of your post proves to me that you have some of the biggest balls (metaphorically if ur a girl) of anyone who has ever lived. good job, i love technicalities  
Date: 6/15/2001 8:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    "Abortions are great because it keeps the population from getting much higher, and we really don't need anymore stupid ppl in the world"

What an uninlightened statement.
  
Date: 6/15/2001 9:30:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 16612    Perhaps if you learn how to spell, "unenlightened", then you can be one to judge.Unless you are one of them, then you can agree that the world is full of copycat proletariat rabble that just take of the oxygen of individualistic ppl.  
Date: 6/15/2001 9:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 36352    Tesser, I think we all agree: we're still waiting for the passage in the Bible.
Love,Angelbelle
  
Date: 6/16/2001 6:49:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    Perhaps Tessek, if you learn that the life of anybody, whether they be an "individualistic person" or one of the "copycat
proletariat rabble" is worth just as much as anybody else, you will begin to see just how unEnlightened your views on abortion really are.
  
Date: 6/17/2001 11:11:00 PM  From Authorid: 30264    Hey U wanna know a much easier way to keep the population down???USE A CONOM or dont have sex at all!!!!Having sex before marriage is wrong so why would it be ok to kill the baby over your own stupid mistake?????!!!!!I dont get it!And what if everyone got an abortion?I say if one person can the rest can to!I compare things to life and abortion just doesnt add up!THats just how I feel about it!!Oh and sorry I didnt get to read this earlier I missed it......peace  
Date: 6/18/2001 6:52:00 AM    I have been waiting patiently for the author to tell you guys that nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about "crowning the head." So, I'll do it for you guys so you can stop wondering: NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY THIS. And as far as abortion not existing for Biblical people, this is false as well. As long as women have been getting pregnant, there have been ways for them to terminate their pregnancies.
Date: 6/21/2001 3:47:00 PM  From Authorid: 8817    wow man I give you credit for putting this up! You must have majorly been slammed for this one! Anyway it was a really good post and I do agree with you. I am also pro choice. I think it is your body do what you want with it the government runs too much of our lives anyway..besides why should somebody bring a child into life when they can not properly take care of it?  
Date: 7/20/2001 5:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 31145    I'm sorry, but thats wrong, where in the bible does it say that?  
Date: 8/3/2001 8:26:00 PM  From Authorid: 16989    oh well, Why did they want to do their thing anyway, they must live with their.. instincts.. *ahem*  

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