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Date: 1/31/2011 9:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 63026
I can understand your viewpoints about raised in different places/cultures... But I think as humans we should have morals as: not killing each other, stealing from each other, being mean to each other..I dont understand how anyone can kill another person. But there are morals or values like , driving too fast, wearing shoes in peoples houses, wearing hats in restraunts be it fancy or fast food, men paying for dinner, and other things like that can be debateable...  |
Date: 1/31/2011 9:37:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62798
Psy thank you for that . I agree. The "big items" seem like they should be nonnegotiable, but somehow they aren't.  |
Date: 1/31/2011 11:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 46486
I totally agree with PsyGuy. Morals to me are being honest to yourself and to others, do not judge, no stealing from others, no killing people/animals... interesting post.  |
Date: 2/1/2011 1:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 37150
Hmm...I suppose what one would tell that islander would only be projecting one's own values and morals onto them. To them, especially if it's a religious ritual, is sacred, let's say. hen you can't pass judgement. I think they are relative. However, in a given culture, perhaps, morals and values are concrete. As human beings as a whole they are relative; relative to one's culture, personal beliefs, upbringing. For example, where one lives and how they were raised definitely determines one's morals and values. However, not everyone follows the beliefs they were raised by, so one's values and morals can change. This discussion could go on and on. hehe. Very philosophical. I want to say that things like murder and pedophilia are inherently wrong in all cultures. But, then again the Greeks had, erm, relationships with young boys. And Gladiators murdered for sport. "Murder" is also called "sacrifice" in other cultures.  Very interesting post!  |
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Date: 2/1/2011 1:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 37150
Yeah, what Psyguy said is really good. But, then in other cultures, based on your gender determines how you're treated. |
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Date: 2/1/2011 2:11:00 AM
From Authorid: 62118
"I dont understand how anyone can kill another person." What about defense and war?  |
Date: 2/1/2011 9:44:00 AM
From Authorid: 64593
It actually is in the Bible. This is a good post and I have heard both sides. Of course I have my own beliefs about such things, morals and such I mean, as does everyone. It is difficult to debate many of the big issues because people tend to be completely biased and give an opinion rather than a fact.  |
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Date: 2/1/2011 4:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 21903
I can see where how you were raised/where you are from might lend to variance in my morals vs someone else's. I guess the way I see it is that you maybe conduct yourself (or try to conduct yourself) in a manner you would like to be treated. I find cheating on someone immoral--I would not like to be cheated on. I find eating human flesh immoral--I would not want to be eaten. I think murder/rape is immoral-I would want neither to happen to me--so maybe the best way I can think of to account for our differences is that things we would view as wrong if done to us, maybe we view as immoral to be done to any one. Does that make sense? Of course, if I was raised eating human flesh, it would be just like eating poultry or pork to me-I don't find eating animals immoral (my personal view), so I guess someone growing up in a cannibalistic society would feel the same... I'm sure there is an example where this is not just so, but I can't think of an example right now so...for now I guess this is the best way I can explain it (sort of the golden rule thing). lol! Then again, how does one completely disregard said morals (or lack them all together...such as serial killers--do they disregard the immorality of taking another's life or do they just lack morals to begin with--and how!!??) Interesting postie! Got me thinking!  |
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Date: 2/1/2011 4:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 21903
oh, and with the bible thing-that gets into religious debate b/c what if it isn't a part of someone else's religion to, say, eat human flesh? Then how do you prove your religion is right vs theirs? I think thats why I don't view morals and religion as the same thing (though more often than not, very closely linked). |
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Date: 2/1/2011 5:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
The querstion of whether or not morals are relative doesn't matter so much since moral relativism is self-defeating. If morality is not relative, then we are perfectly entitled to tell someone from another culture that what they are doing is wrong, if we believe it to be. If morality is relative, then who are you to say I'm wrong to impose my morals on others, maybe imposing morality is simply part of my own particular moral worldview.  |
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Date: 2/1/2011 6:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62798
You guys, this discussion is great! Thank you all for chiming in. I knew I could pick your brains (no pun intended) and get some great information. |
Date: 2/2/2011 12:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 18155
I would wager if it was eat human flesh or die, most just might decide to try a leg of somebody than to cross over from lack of anything one might get a little "nervous" about consuming.  |
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Date: 2/2/2011 12:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 62798
Mason, I know you can't say "never" with much certainty. But all i can say is I know I would like to go to my grave saying I never ate anyone. |
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Date: 2/2/2011 3:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
When there is no agreement as to whether there is a Moral Authority, then the progression of that point is that all things (murder, rape, abortion, cannabalism, child sex abuse, etc.) -- which are culturally accepted -- are immune from being considered amoral by anyone. This is politicized under the concept known as "social justice". Social culture groups are just as deserving of what they believe to be moral as any other social cultural group believes, so the progression of justification goes. This is taught to indoctrinate a system of belief into the political process, and slowly permeate that system AS the social culture. Rather than rule of law (mind-using, thinking, reasoning) the rule is by emotions (invoked exponentially in mobs at the slightest hint of attack on the social culture, or the system of belief). Your personal morals don't have a place in such a system unless they are part and parcel to the systems'. God Bless.  |
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Date: 2/7/2011 11:40:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
"When there is no agreement as to whether there is a Moral Authority, then the progression of that point is that all things (murder, rape, abortion, cannabalism, child sex abuse, etc.) -- which are culturally accepted -- are immune from being considered amoral by anyone" This is odd. Why would the fact that, for example, abortion is not considered immoral by everyone mean that abortion is immune from being considered immoral by anyone? (you should probably use 'immoral' instead of 'amoral' here. Immorality refers to things which are morally wrong/bad, amorality refers to things which are not matter of morality at all ((like choosing whether to wear a red shirt or a blue one)) ). |
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Date: 2/7/2011 11:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 19613
The fact that people don't agree about morals does not mean that moral relativism is true. It may simply mean that some people are just wrong and/or don't know any better. |
Date: 2/8/2011 11:23:00 AM
From Authorid: 38943
Eating too much human meat can kill you among other things.... Makes you shake, rots your teeth.... I'm sure there are other negative psychical aliments but that's all I can think of right now  |
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Date: 2/8/2011 2:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 11240
I stand by my use of the word "amoral", DP. Without a moral designation, amoral is what abortion becomes in a culture setting in which abortion is viewed as a woman's "right". Sure, individuals may view it as "wrong", but that designation is for themselves only, not the culture as a whole, and their moral compass is immaterial in a society in which they are not the subject, or player, in an abortion. God Bless. |
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Date: 2/8/2011 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
To be “immune from being considered amoral” would mean that the issue in question must be considered in a moral context, which seems to be the opposite of what you’re trying to say. You seem to be confusing beliefs about morality with morality itself. Something is not moral or immoral simply because the majority believe it to be so. |
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Date: 2/9/2011 8:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 11240
So, how is something considered moral or immoral, DP? Is there a Moral Authority that definitively states to you what is moral and what is not moral? A concept becomes immune from being considered amoral when it is designated a "right" , since at that point one isn't considering whether or not the concept is moral or immoral; rather the consideration at that point becomes whether or not someone's "right" is being violated, not whether or not someone's morals are being violated. God Bless. |
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Date: 2/9/2011 4:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 19613
What determines whether something is moral or immoral (or, indeed, amoral) depends on what your metaethical beliefs are. Since I am a consequentialist, I believe that the morality of an action is determined by the consequences it produces. (Not everyone is a consequentialist, of course.) I also believe that I do not require a ‘Moral Authority’ to communicate to me what is moral and immoral. I can have access to this knowledge through the application of my reason. There was a time when the law recognised the right of men to own slaves as property. The existence of this right did not prevent discussion of the morality of owning slaves. Similarly, while the law in Ireland does not presently recognise the right of women to have an abortion except in cases where the mother’s life is at risk, this has not prevented debate as to whether or not the law should be changed to broaden (or restrict) a woman’s right to abortion. |
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