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Interracial dating

  Author:  52140  Category:(Debate) Created:(9/7/2010 11:29:00 AM)
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I just recently started seeing a black man (I'm white). We don't make race out to be a big deal, but my best friend (who is also black) gave me the black perspective about dating outside my race, and pressure from my own family growing up to not date outside my race has greatly influenced me.

Antagonism exists on both sides. My family made it clear that they dont agree with me dating outside my race. And there's definitely some discontent with black women when we are together in public. We live in one of the most conservative states (Oklahoma) so its not as common as it might be in New York or Los Angeles.

For him and me its not a big deal. We know that opposition exists and know that the only thing working against us is external. As long as we can hold together, things won't matter. There is obviously cultural differences that we have to learn, and I don't see how that would be different from learning a person from the Northeast and me being from the Southeast.

Anyway, we're not making a big deal about it, but I thought that it would be interesting to see what USMers think.

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Date: 9/7/2010 11:47:00 AM  From Authorid: 64365    Shoot...you are both part of the human race so what's the big deal...same race I'd say...  
Date: 9/7/2010 12:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 13109    Yeah your definetly both humans so I think it's great! I live in Oklahoma too, So i understand i wouldnt let people bother you just as long as your happy!  
Date: 9/7/2010 12:58:00 PM  From Authorid: 60992    I could careless and about other people its none of their bussiness who anybody else is dating or married too. Dont like it then perhaps you should go live on your own in a forest because its everywhere! I live in Vancouver, well I did! I moved to Saskatchewan but Ill be back to van in a year and Vancouver is VERY multicultural you have mixes of all kind. Its just something you cannot avoid their. And I absoloutly love it!  
Date: 9/7/2010 1:28:00 PM  From Authorid: 63026    I dated a black girl back in 2007, and it was cool. I don't see any problem with is.
I'd love to date not a different race, but someone from the European continent.
  
Date: 9/7/2010 2:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 22275    im hispanic and i married an irish man.
Race doesnt matter... if you like someone you like someone. Its your relationship and your relationship is no one elses business, unless its against the law.
  
Date: 9/7/2010 3:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 11097    I think there will always be close minded individuals and the only thing you can do is be happy in your choices and live the way you see fit. We need to get over this race discrimination... its ridiculous. People also need to stop generalizing people or labeling themselves or putting themselves into categories. I agree with Nani, we are the human race.  
Date: 9/7/2010 3:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 27705    some people are closed minded...thats all i have to say  
Date: 9/7/2010 4:29:00 PM  From Authorid: 62146    The only probblem is cultural differences, but that should not stop you if the person is worth your time. As for the others family stopping you in the matter, it's not their coice in the end it's yours, and while people may give you looks, just remember it's not their buisness.  
Date: 9/7/2010 5:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 57579    Where at in Oklahoma do you live? Born and raised, currently still living in Oklahoma I really dont see interracial dating as a big deal. I see everyone as a human. I dont care about the color of peoples skin. However, some members of family see it as a bad thing. Remember, at least in oklahoma if not most states, we were segregated until about the 1970s. The older generation still sees other races to be inferior. But you need to do what you feel is right for you. If he treats you well and you both care about each other then go for it! Eventually everyone will see the person he is and the person you are.  
Date: 9/7/2010 6:36:00 PM  From Authorid: 15228    Our best friends are an interacial couple, she's white, he's black and they've never spoken of any problems they've had. They live in Florida.  
Date: 9/7/2010 8:00:00 PM  From Authorid: 64747    I live in Dublin ( Ireland ) and if I live where I lived now, just say 60 years ago, and if I went out with a Protestant man I would have being disowned by my family, as I am Catholic, even though we're both Christian's, there was a load of disagreements from both sides back in rural Ireland.

Dublin has become one of the many multi cultural cities in the worlds, so its not really a big deal to see two people from different races dating, and the fact is that it isn't a problem, especially not to the degree it was with the Protestant and Catholic mix dating.

And as you said hun, the main people in the relationship, you and your BF dont care about the different race, then you will be fine. I know it must be hard for you knowning that your family dose not agree, but I'm sure with time, and they see that you are much in love then hopefully they change their minds
  
Date: 9/7/2010 8:20:00 PM  From Authorid: 7341    The guy I'm dating is hispanic...and I'm white, but we really never get any looks or anything...it's not even an issue to us, or our families!  
Date: 9/7/2010 9:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 64765    Hi there, I understand perfectly where your coming from, I kind of went through the same situation. Am hispanic and my girlfriend is white, and had some issues with her family because they wanted her to date within her race. It's a little different now since we've been together for a couple years. It took a while but they finally accepted me. As for people around us (living in a white community) they've never really looked at us weird or anything. I think that as long as you and your partner love each other, trust each other, and respect each other, sky's the limit. =)  
Date: 9/8/2010 4:49:00 AM  From Authorid: 5940    I was born / raised in Southern California where inter-racial dating and marriage are common. I currently live in Northwest Arkansas... supposedly a part of the so-called Bible belt and I can see the point you are making. Hey if the two of you are happy then that's what matters.  
Date: 9/9/2010 7:46:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    I dont support interracial marriage. That said, I also dont want to see any effort to have them re-banned or criminalized, because interracial marriage is in the same group as gay marriage, abortion, and gun control to me. Simply put, its none of your business in any shape, form, or fashion, and unlike the opponents of the groups I just mentioned, I know how to mind my own business.  
Date: 9/9/2010 7:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    How can you not support interracial marriage?!  
Date: 9/9/2010 8:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    Just like that DP, see how easy that was? Let me guess, this makes me a naziwhowantstokillanothersixmillionjews, right?  
Date: 9/9/2010 10:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 47218    What is "race", afterall? Humans through history have mixed and intermixed, there is no such thing as a "pure" race (plus, we all come from the same place somewhere down the line), people will identify themselves as one thing when they have a dozen countries of origin...it's a social construct that has no meaning outside the meaning with which we imbue it...So date who you please.  
Date: 9/9/2010 10:57:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    Molly, if race was a "social construct", then it would be impossible to identify race by bone remains now wouldnt it?  
Date: 9/10/2010 7:10:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    No, it just makes you a racist. Congratulations.  
Date: 9/10/2010 7:34:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 52140    I agree with you, Molly. I'm starting to realize that alot of the problems with race are the stigma that we as Americans (both black and white) have attached to it. There's still an overall attitude of white superiority (atleast in the South where I come from). And there's still alot of stigma from the racist, discriminate past. I really think that racism has to be taught. Obviously, as innocent children, we'll recognize that people have different skins, but I think our parents feeding us the negativity about the other races that forms our attitudes.  
Date: 9/10/2010 7:54:00 AM  From Authorid: 3125    
We are all human beings regardless of bone structure, hair color, eye color, skin color, culture, etc. We all have our strengths and our weaknesses no matter what category we fall in as a human being.

I believe that any human looking down on another human as being inferior to them because of the color of their skin, etc, shows that primitive thinking still exist in todays world.

Maybe we 'white' Americans should make the rules that Europeans can marry only those from Europe. Russians can marry only those from Russia, the Irish can marry only those from Ireland, Japanese can marry only those from Japan, etc.

I would be 'doomed' though because I am a native American, with Irish and Italian blood in me..There had to be some interracial marriages somewhere along the lines.
  
Date: 9/10/2010 3:13:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    DP that is one of the stupidest equations I've ever read. Disapproval of interracial dating makes you a racist? Are you serious? I suppose disapproval of gay marriage makes one a homophobe, right? And dissapproval of forest bulldozing makes one an eco-terrorist? How about you show proof it makes me a racist, or else apologize for the name calling.  
Date: 9/10/2010 3:32:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    Disapproving of interracial marriages is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read, so I guess I know how you feel. Give me a non-racist reason for disapproving of interracial marriages and then I’ll apologise.  
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Date: 9/10/2010 6:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    In case you have not noticed DP, I feel no need to justify an opinion to you or anybody else. Since you were the one who decided to begin name calling, you can be the first to justify it.

Regardless, I'll post a little for your benefit, since it is apparent you have no backing of your own. See, "Race Traits and Tendencies", by Dr. F.L. Hoffman, and "The Corruption of The Blood" by Prof. W.B. Smith. Now that I have done as you asked, I expect to see you in turn post something backing up your assertion. Since I can't hold my breath that long, I'll assume now its never going to happen.
  
Date: 9/10/2010 6:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    Which, by the way, does not surprise me one little bit. I just hit my 10th year milestone on this site, and am completely expecting a lot of emotion and rhetoric devoid of facts or evidence. The number of people who debate on here and back their arguments with something NOT touchy-feely or emotional can be counted on one hand. Off topic, but for proof, look at nearly any gun control thread here. A whole lot of whining and sheep bleeting, almost entirely devoid of anything that resembles proof. It is, as I've mentioned, typical...not to mention pathetic.  
Date: 9/10/2010 8:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 47218    Dark Angel, that is circular reasoning. A classification applied to people isn't any more substantiated when applied to people's bones.  
Date: 9/10/2010 9:43:00 PM  From Authorid: 15319    Molly you can't ignore race is an actual issue. You can look at the skeletons of different races today and see obvious physical differences that go beyond skin color. Nice way to dodge the issue.  
Date: 9/10/2010 10:18:00 PM  From Authorid: 47218    You will find physical differences between people purportedly of the same "race"...what's your point?  
Date: 9/10/2010 10:25:00 PM  From Authorid: 3125    
DA, I am curious. What would you see as a problem IF the human race would one day be as one; a "melting together" all into a harmonious whole with a common culture?
  
Date: 9/10/2010 11:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 30093    Calling someone a racist isn't name calling if they're racist. It's just pointing out a character trait.  
Date: 9/11/2010 8:29:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    The Dark Angel, it’s funny that you feel no need to justify your opinions to me or anybody else, but that you expect me to justify mine.  
Date: 9/11/2010 8:30:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    The Dark Angel, it’s funny that you feel no need to justify your opinions to me or anybody else, but that you expect me to justify mine.

“See, "Race Traits and Tendencies", by Dr. F.L. Hoffman, and "The Corruption of The Blood" by Prof. W.B. Smith. Now that I have done as you asked, I expect to see you in turn post something backing up your assertion.”

I actually asked for non-racist reasons why you do not support interracial marriage.

You suggested that I read “Race Traits and Tendencies of the American Negro” which was written in 1896 by a statistician called Frederick Ludwig Hoffman. On page 180 of this book, Hoffman endorses the following quotation “a civlized race…does not readily intermingle with one less advanced in civilization, for the same reasons which prevent a lord from marrying a peasant girl.”

Hoffman goes on to claim “the children of coloured women and white men, of whatever shade or colour, are morally and physically the inferiors of the pure black.”

Now let’s look at the definition of racism: “Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.”

There is my proof, your first source is clearly racist.
  
Date: 9/11/2010 8:31:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    Woops, slight mix up there in the posts, I think my point remains clear though.

  
Date: 9/11/2010 8:35:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    I am unable to look up the second source, as I can find a single reference to it on the internet. Reputable scientists are not normally so difficult to find.  
Date: 9/11/2010 8:37:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    Meanwhile, a short stroll to wikipedia reveals the racist nonsense for what it is: unscientific rubbish - "Anthropologists also point out that genomic analysis has shown that racial distinctions are "not genetically discrete, are not reliably measured, and are not scientifically meaningful." Most variations in human genes, in fact, pre-date the time of the migration of Homo sapiens sapiens out of Africa, leading genetic researchers to concluded that the "possibility that human history has been characterized by genetically relatively homogeneous groups ('races'), distinguished by major biological differences, is not consistent with genetic evidence."  
Date: 9/11/2010 7:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 40979    I don't think there is anything wrong with dating someone who is not the same race as you. Christ created everyone and everyone is equal in his eyes. Who cares about skin color? If you love someone and you're attracted to them, that's all that matters.  
Date: 12/13/2010 6:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 53427    I live just outside the town in which the KKK was originally formed. So over the years I have known many racist people. I have never considered myself one of them. But my husband and i talked about this and he said the fact that I have never been sexually attracted to a black man makes me prejudicial and maybe he's right. But I hope not. I can appreciate a good looking black man but i never have felt attracted in that way. But at the same time its never bothered me to see other people in interracial relationships. I am proud of my country though and i think we have come a long way, but we have farther to go. Just a couple generations back some of my own family was bonafide card carrying klan members. I think the best way to combat racism is education. Its all about ignorance.  
Date: 12/13/2010 6:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 64365    Shoot. Interracial dating??? Is this still an issue? Darn. I thought people got over that a long time ago.  
Date: 12/13/2010 11:54:00 PM  From Authorid: 62118    "But my husband and i talked about this and he said the fact that I have never been sexually attracted to a black man makes me prejudicial and maybe he's right."

Not really, some people just aren't attracted to certain features.
  
Date: 12/16/2010 3:10:00 PM  From Authorid: 4231    Yeh, there is no question that it is FINE. Unfortunately society in many cases; does look at it indifferently. I think as long as you can overcome the stigmatism of society and only worry about how YOU feel then you will be just fine   

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