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Date: 3/26/2009 10:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 36901
One word... HOAX! :P  |
Date: 3/26/2009 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
^^agreed^^  |
Date: 3/26/2009 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Without getting into the 'hoax or not' debate of what the Lutz family claimed, I will mention this - how does one guy, with a high-powered rifle, go from room to room through two stories inside a large Colonial home, discharging said weapon, with not only NO ONE waking up, but all the bodies in the same position? Forensic reports stated that the bodies were not posed, and no one was drugged.  |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:25:00 AM
From Authorid: 36901
A lot of people believe that the eldest sister helped him, then he killed her as well. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Okay, so by this theory, we have two killers. All shots came from the same weapon, so '2 killers with 2 rifles doing it blitz-style' is out. The sister wouldn't go lay down in the same position, so if he were to kill her after her helping, then her body would've been posed...but according to forensics, none of the bodies were posed. And even if we had two killers with two rifles, still doesn't explain how shots ring out into five different victims in three different rooms on two different floors and no one stirs. |
Date: 3/26/2009 10:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 23075
I personally do NOT believe the house is haunted, but then again, I would NOT go near it myself.  |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Until George Lutz died, he ran a web site with a *live chat* option. I was involved in the chat with with both George Lutz, and his former Step-Son (now a Minister), and there is not a doubt in my mind the entire 2 weeks (not 28 days), they spent in the house were Paranormal-free. Furthermore, there are DeFeo children still alive, and there is a book (I will have to find the Author & Title), that covers the forensic evidence ,complete with photos of the bodies from the Police Files. They bodies were NOT all in the same position. The whole thing was a hoax. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Found it: http://www.amityvillemurders.com/ |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:34:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
QUOTE:"Another ignored fact is that Ronald "Butch" DeFeo, Jr. could not have murdered his entire family alone. The evidence and the experts all indicated Butch DeFeo had help. Of course, the popular theory that a son killed his entire family with a high-powered rifle is considered the official version of the murders" |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:35:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
For Immediate Release EMBATTLED AUTHOR RIC OSUNA EXONERATED IN COURT Las Vegas, NV (October 23, 2005 ) – The US District Court Southern District New York ruled on October 17, 2005 against Ronald "Butch" DeFeo, ordering his “action closed.” This brings to an end nearly three years of legal struggles that Ric Osuna, author of The Night the DeFeos Died: Reinvestigating the Amityville Murders, has had to endure in order to validate his work and defend himself from the defamatory claims made by individuals looking to prevent his book from achieving the international recognition it has gained. In February 2004, DeFeo brought a civil action against author Ric Osuna and his former publisher, good friend and Amityville colleague Ryan Katzenbach, claiming he lied in his book, made defamatory statements, and stole his property. Osuna always has maintained that the case was revenge, filed against him because he refused to help DeFeo profit from his crime. The case against Ryan Katzenbach was dismissed in July, when the court ruled DeFeo was libel proof. Osuna, on the other hand, held off until August to request a formal dismissal, which was recently granted after DeFeo could not address the merits of his case. Osuna said, "I am pleased that the New York court, after carefully weighing all the evidence, has found that the accusations against me were without merit and has summarily dismissed the case. Far too long, certain individuals have called into question my character to prevent the truth from being reported and sabotage my diligent work. This court decision, like the others, has exonerated not only me, but also the individuals who have stood by me." Ric Osuna is no stranger to legal action. In 2003, George Lutz filed a lawsuit against Ric Osuna arguing several absurd and self-serving claims that a court of law eventually dismissed. Like DeFeo’s action, Osuna feels the case was nothing but an attempt to bully him into silence. Representing himself, Osuna filed a 200+ page summary judgment that won four of the five causes of action. Although in the court proceeding Lutz never attacked any of the facts presented in Ric Osuna's book, Lutz tried to claim that Osuna was guilty of fraud, conversion of stolen property, trademark infringement over a domain name dispute, copyright infringement, and breach of contract. Despite the fact that in an earlier letter Lutz's attorney promised Lutz would "own" him, the court ruled in favor of Osuna, citing that Lutz's "mere scintilla of evidence is not enough to defeat a motion for summary judgment." Explaining a summary judgment, Ryan Katzenbach said, "Ric, who moved for summary adjudication [judgment], had the burden of presenting evidence and facts that prove, SO CLEARLY, that he is right and the other side is wrong. In this case, George and his attorney had the upper advantage, frankly. Lutz's attorney was fighting a pro-se Defendant with no formal legal training or degree." As the case neared the final showdown, Ric Osuna filed an 18-page motion, expecting to win his case with an involuntary dismissal of the last cause of action pertaining to the disputed domain name. The day before the hearing and upon the request of Lutz and his attorney, Osuna settled the last cause of action over the disputed domain name for no money or damages. "If any of the opposing parties in these proceedings would have had a leg to stand on," Katzenbach quipped, "they would have prevailed. THEY DIDN'T. George and his attorney had 80% of their lawsuit blasted out from under them by a 30-year old with no formal legal education. Apparently, our courts can still see the differences between right and wrong." However, Ric Osuna and Ryan Katzenbach were not the only party to prevail in the courts. Back in 2003, Butch DeFeo retaliated against his ex-wife Geraldine because, among other things, she would not remarry him. The lawsuit against Geraldine was nearly identical to the one he would eventually file against Osuna. As in Osuna’s case, the New York superior court found Butch DeFeo’s charges to be baseless. The case was dismissed, helping secure Geraldine DeFeo’s authenticity. The results of these court cases further substantiate that Ric Osuna’s book, The Night the DeFeos Died: Reinvestigating the Amityville Murders, was based on the truth supported with factual information obtained through legitimate and proper methods. Osuna picked up the entire tab for the research, which amounted to more than $13,000. But, Ronald “Butch” DeFeo and his current wife Tracey did not limit their accusations to court documents. They continued their defamatory remarks through sensational claims against Ric Osuna and Geraldine DeFeo made to various law enforcement agencies. Osuna contacted these agencies offering cooperation and proof of his innocence, being proactive with his defense. The U.S. Department of Justice, the Suffolk County District Attorney’s office and the Attorney General of New York State informed the embattled author that they had found no wrongdoing on his part. Disbelieving Butch and Tracey's allegations, in an October 3, 2004 letter to Ric Osuna, the U.S. Department of Justice wrote that it "does not intend to initiate a criminal investigation regarding this matter." For the record, Osuna has never been arrested or a suspect in a crime and has even assisted law enforcement in criminal cases. In fact, Osuna has a clean record and is a volunteer with the American Red Cross along with several other prominent community organizations. He freely gives of his time to the needy and less fortunate. "It is a great day." Osuna concluded, "The absurd allegations, along with the various parties who have resorted to character assassination, have been proven false. Their failure only reinforces the validity of the truth and corroborating research contained in my book and at my website." For more information, please visit www.amityvillemurders.com or purchase The Night the DeFeos Died: Reinvestigating the Amityville Murders. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:39:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
The Lutzes claim, even to this day, that their house was haunted, but people have questioned their actions during and after that time. In the months after the Lutzes abandoned the house, it was investigated by several authorites on the supernatural. The late Stephen Kaplan, PhD (co-author, with Roxanne Salch Kaplan, of The Amityville Horror Conspiracy) was initially invited to investigate the house, but was later fired. Kaplan claims it was because George Lutz was afraid he would uncover a hoax; Lutz claims he ceased to find Kaplan helpful after finding out he was a "vampirologist." Either way, the Lutzes and Kaplan have called each others' credibility into question ever since. The Lutzes were also introduced to demonologists Ed and Lorraine Warren, who investigated the house weeks after the Lutzes left it. Lorraine, who claims to be a psychic, felt sadness and depression, and Ed felt an immense pressure and saw floating pinpoints of light in the basement. Ronnie DeFeo's attorney, William Weber, invited parapsychologist Hans Holzer to investigate the house, which he did with deep-trance medium Ethel Johnson Myers. Myers came across the idea that the land was the site of an Indian burial ground, a fact that is in dispute. (Read More) http://www.theflagship.net/coldspot/docs/amityvillehorrororhoax.html |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
I think an un-biased source would be more credible towards the other side of the debate. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:45:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
this is not a debate, it is a discussion. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Author Ric Osuna spent more than four years conducting an unprecedented level of research into the Amityville case. Within his book, The Night the DeFeos Died, Osuna, in eight pages of endnotes, referenced all of the material utilized for his investigation and the creation of his book. For the first time, visitors to this website can now access these endnotes, which were taken directly from his book. To the right, click on the PDF to begin examining the endnotes to understand why Osuna's book is based on FACT and is far from a fictional account. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:46:00 AM
From Authorid: 10754
Ok, then overly-biased sources are just fine. |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
Care to provide a different source? |
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Date: 3/26/2009 10:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 15070
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/ghosts/amityville.asp |
Date: 3/26/2009 10:58:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 64423
i think it happend  |
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Date: 3/26/2009 12:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 23075
I won't say whether I think it did or didn't, but my comment about me NOT wanting to even go to the house should give you an idea. I think the house is creepy. |
Date: 3/26/2009 2:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 61811
I don't know much about guns, but did the gun he use have a muffler?  |
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Date: 3/26/2009 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 10657
Jackie, A muffler is on a car  A silencer would be on a gun.  |
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Date: 3/28/2009 5:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 61811
LOL see I told you I didn't know much about guns! :P |
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