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The Reason Saint Patrick is One of my most Hated Figures~~~Bruiex

  Author:  51876  Category:(History) Created:(3/14/2009 6:03:00 AM)
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Recently I made a vague reference as to my hate for the St. Patrick myth and how he destroyed Druidic thinking.

He destroyed it through the technique of amalgamation, which has been used throughout history to adapt culture and religon to another.It is how Constatine changed original christian thinking and made it the official religon of Romans.

That is why I have issues with Christianity.The religon has adapted to the people not given all the truth.It has been politiclly motivated to take over whole countries.Islam learned from the success of Christianity and became a more blunt instrument of political control.

Think about it, Martin Luther, John Calvin and even John Cromwell used Religon to create new political and religous views.Rome has used the Catholic church to influence the whole world.

I know I just offended every Christian out there.Sorry.

True christianity has nothing to do with the thousands of variations in use today.We have lost the fundamentals of Truth..lost in hidden agendas..

Look at the Hebrews who have close ties with christians.They did the same thing. Jews were slaves. They were slaves of two great religous empires.Each fused enlightment and worship with our physical body.They preached Union of Self.Union with elevated beings. Science and Religon were One.

They adopted and through almagation also took what they learned from their masters into their own adaptations.They kept their learning secret as not to alert their masters.

The babylonian egyptian cultures fell because they elevated certain families as Gods.The rest of the people had "roles" to fill.The Alexander the Great came along with the Greek notion of Freedom.Which became the mantra of the Spartans and then Rome which eventually became a Empire itself.The role of Freedom began as defectors left to "gain enlighment' on their own.

One such group was the Scotta, Egyptians who land in far North England.It is why Kilts became the dress of the highlands because it was a version of the Egyptian dress many thousands of years ago.

Their influence is legendary at the appearance of "the shining ones" is recorded in the Tuatha de Dannan cycle of the Irish pantheon of Gods.

The Scotta married into the local tribes of the area the ancient Hyborians (yea Conan the barbarian kinda stuff)becoming a seperate distinct race after hundreds of years.

The Celts history is long and at one time actually took over Rome only to abandon this city of stone, which seemed a dead city to the Celtic peoples.

Saint patrick was born Maewyn Succat in Roman England to a Roman army officer in 390 A.D. At 16 he waas captured by pirates and sold into slavery in Ireland. He worked as a sheperd in solace for 6 years and finally made his escape to Gaul (France). He studied under Saint Germain for a dozen years.

After being a monk he changed his name to Patricus. he became obscessed with converting the "Pagans" of ireland. Then at 60 years old he did, preaching the gospel. he transformed everyone's thinking by using references and associating christian sacred days with those of the Irish Celts.He "drove the snakes from Ireland", kinda easy to do since snakes, could not live there anyway.

No, he did it to describe Druids and their Teachings. Serpents have been to describe Wise people throughout history and since a Snake was the one who gave Eve the : Knowledge of Good and Evil, his ability to equate Druids with Evil along with his constant preaching and confrontations with local kings (chiefs), he grew his reputation in the best known way, Gossip and tall tales that stretch the truth.

Saint Patricks day is supposed to be celebrated on the 17th because he died that day.It became a Irish Easter celebration that was not publiclly "paraded". That didn't happen till the Irish started coming to New York and since he was one of the only Irish patron saints it was only natural for him to become a symbol of the new immigrants.

So now he has evolved into a another americanized version of ethnic association.



That is why I hate St. Patrick.He became the "Nail" in the coffin that the Roman Empire used to destroy the ancient truths and ways of the Celtic Druids. The most dangerous men to Empires is Intelligent and Enlightend Populace. One's that respect the authority of the Wise not the Brutal.

Saint Patrick is another Religous trickster of the many throughout history.His legacy was theft. Theft of Ancient Whole Truths into Partial Truths.

We have been given only a Sliver of Knowledge that comes from so long ago.

So when you think you know it all. You Do Not. Learning Never Ends Unless You Choose To.

Bruiex, March 2009

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Date: 3/14/2009 6:23:00 AM  From Authorid: 21435    Yep..When I was seventeen years old, I was sure I knew it all. Now, I'm not so sure. Interesting write up, Bruiex. Write on.....  
Date: 3/14/2009 6:29:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    Thanks Kronk !  
Date: 3/14/2009 6:36:00 AM  From Authorid: 21923    Great post Bruiex. I've bookmarked this for future use! It never ceases to amaze me how today's mainstream "religion" has so watered down so many great truths of our past, and works so hard to even try to erase the truths of today, i.e. science. It bothers me today that so many Christians especially, practice and preach to you, but they don't understand the actual roots and foundations of their on religion. It is sad, but trying to get a alot of them to even accept the truth of The Council of Nicea is like beating your head against a wall, and it is something that is WELL historically documented. So sad that everyone needs everything so waterd down and put in a nice neat box that fits on a nice neat shelf. Continue writing my friend!  
Date: 3/14/2009 6:42:00 AM  From Authorid: 54444    enlightening history lesson. But I love St Pats day because it is the only time I get to eat corn beef and cabbage. LOL. Heck I thought he threw potatoes at the snakes and started a potato famine...a lot I know. Were the Irish and Scots worshiping sky people back then or was that something different? Seems I nave a new history teacher.  
Date: 3/14/2009 6:47:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    Thanks for the sipport. I am trying to learn to write concisly because it is hard to communicated deep thoughts and being understood, so elimanation of a lot of detail is needed with in a summary form.

mmm it's breakfast time, pancakes and pears, TTYL.
  
Date: 3/14/2009 7:06:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    The Celtic people's worshipped elemental Gods but also nature gods also.
There was Father God like Dagda and Mother God in Danu..The idea of monothesism was promoted by Jews and Romans.That is why Christianity evolved so easily there as both cultures were stepped in Men being the Rulers not Women aka Alexander's influence and Xerxes of the Persians.

Celtic and Egyptian cultures never elevated one sex over another sex.
Scholars argue that is why Constatine elimanated all the history pertaining to Jesus being married (Mary-Need?) and the possibility of many secret wifes.Jesus was bringing Women's role Politiclly into cultures in which women were treated a lesser beings.

As used a bit in Davinchi's Code, the Dan Brown book. Islam again took that another step.
  
Date: 3/14/2009 7:56:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    A few points and questions. First of all, where is this idea coming from that Patrick’s real name was “Maewyn Succat”? I find it repeated on several internet articles but I cannot find a source anywhere. I find it highly suspicious, as well as the claim that he was born in England to a Roman army officer.

I had been taught (by Irish history professors) that we know relatively little of Patrick’s childhood, we don’t even know for certain what country he was born in, apart from the fact that it was somewhere in Britain.

Secondly, you might want to reserve some of your anger for a few other individuals. Patrick was not the first Christian missionary to come to Ireland. Before the arrival of Patricius, a man called Palladius had already been sent by the Church to combat the spread of the Pelagian heresy in Ireland. So while Patrick may have been responsible for much of it, it is unlikely that Ireland would not have become Christianised without him.

Thirdly, if Patrick is really responsible for wiping out the druidic teachings, then how do you know that there was anything good about the druidic teachings in the first place? Most of the information we have about them comes from sources like the Romans (who make the claim that the druids practised human sacrifice.)

Interesting post, though!
  
Date: 3/14/2009 8:01:00 AM  From Authorid: 19613    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/st-patricks-day/st-patrick-drove-out-the-pagans--not-the-snakes-1318905.html You might find that article interesting.  
Date: 3/14/2009 8:36:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    You are right Dark Phoneix and what we know is by his own background.His arrival in Scotland and where his Celtic masters who bought him from the pirates said he a was captured roman and news abroad from hid Father's loss was recorded in Roman history.Wheter it is true or could still be argued but that's all I know.

Why has the Celtic religon struck a cord with me. The knotwork symolizes ancient truths how we are bound together, like a tapestry into one being.God represents a communion with the one, the creative.In it's basics of a tri-fold world of being of 3 dimensions.There was at one time a highly advanced intelligece level on earth, this is not the first time technology has appeared on this earth.

You are right that some of what we know about the Celtic people's comes from the Romans and Why is That.

Because of Writing.

Druids and Celts, ust like Native People's of the Earth have a Oral Tradition of Passing along knowledge. Not the magic formulas deciphered on paper. Contrary to ehat people believe about egyptians they had a oral history also, it was the self appointed god-folks who needed writing.

Read "the Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life" and get back to me DP (Grins).
  
Date: 3/14/2009 9:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 11240    Whenever I hear someone accusing a historical figure for the way things are today, I have to ask:

If ALL of what happened didn't happen exactly they way it did, do you even have assurance that you would be here today to complain about it?

Interconnectivity at it's roots, wherever that may be.

Perhaps this has ALL unfolded the way it has for you (that's you, Bru) to solve a mystery!

As far as having issues with "Christianity", my thought is that you have issues with "religion", which are two separate concepts.

God Bless.
  
Date: 3/14/2009 9:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    Uh, I didn't blame just St. Patrick Deb, read a little closer.  
Date: 3/14/2009 11:43:00 AM  From Authorid: 4995    Wow. I never knew that!!! He doesnt look that great in my eyes now either. Geez.  
Date: 3/14/2009 11:59:00 AM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    I messed up on one section.It was not the Ulster cycle but the Tuatha de Dannen cycle.  
Date: 3/14/2009 7:40:00 PM  From Authorid: 35720    Deb, that's like someone saying they don't like shirts and then you saying back, "I don't think you have issues with shirts. I think you have issues with clothing.. they're two different things." Shirts are a sub-genre of clothing.. you don't have to have a distaste for all clothing to have a distaste for shirts. Same with religion and Christianity.

Bruiex, to be honest I didn't know the first thing about St. Patrick before reading your post. It was an interesting read.
  
Date: 3/15/2009 7:21:00 AM  From Authorid: 11616    ST PATRICKS DAY, GREEN!!!! BUH HUM BUG...THE DAY MY FATHER PAST AWAY. ONE OF THE SADDEST DAYS OF MY LIFE. SORRY BRUIEX I GUESS IT HASNT BEEN A GOOD WEEK FOR ME. I WILL TRY TO MAKE MORE INTELLIGENT COMMENTS FOR NOW ON FOR YOUR POSTS. JUST NOT A GOOD TIME FOR ME. :ugs::  
Date: 3/15/2009 9:14:00 AM  From Authorid: 63931    glad to here your thoughts  
Date: 3/15/2009 3:24:00 PM  From Authorid: 11240    Uh.

I read everything clearly including at least three comments on others' posts whereupon you referenced St. Patrick (including the one where you promised to write this post), the title of this post, and the post itself. That your main focus had other historical people and circumstances happening around him to compliment your disdain hardly discounts your disdain for him. My comment still stands although perhaps it would become more palatable to you if it had been phrased, "Whenever I hear someone accusing historical figures for the way things are today . . "

Whatever the phrasing, I am firm in my intent that it and the ensuing comments were meant as openings for dialogue on any related subject that came up, an aspect of this site I was under the impression you were an advocate of.

So, in that regard I offer this response to Rika:

I do not construe Christianity as a sub-set of religion. Christianity is a sub-set of the belief in God, while Catholicism, Baptist, and Lutheran are man-made explanations (religions) which are based on that particular belief. Bru pretty much says the same thing in his post when he says, "True christianity has nothing to do with the thousands of variations in use today." Thus, when he said that, I could garner from that that he really wasn't so upset with the reality of Christianity as a belief in God, but with the practice of so-called Christian religions, which led to my comment.

God Bless.
  
Date: 3/15/2009 3:33:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    As long as we are clear Deb, you explained it pretty well.
Only thing I am saying is he is a Hated Figure, I am not blaming him for today.

I also hate Nero,many Kings of England and George Custer who are all historical figures.Thanks for your reply. have ones I love too, Jesus is one of them.
  
Date: 3/16/2009 3:16:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    I am curious as to how you manage to be a druid since much (most?) of druidic thought has been lost?  
Date: 3/16/2009 3:41:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    has it? or are you not listening?  
Date: 3/16/2009 6:55:00 PM  From Authorid: 19613    Well, you tell me… Where did you learn how to be a druid?  
Date: 3/16/2009 7:03:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 51876    It is too much info for a comment.Guess my secret life as a American Druid must be explained..it is the next logical step to unveiling myself.  
Date: 5/14/2009 10:22:00 AM  From Authorid: 19682    Very interesting.  

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