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Date: 8/30/2007 11:20:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Are the Iraqis "better off now than before the invasion" as the war supporters claim? Has anyone felt this before but have now changed their minds?  |
Date: 8/30/2007 2:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 7830
People need to come to grips with the reality that the war in Iraq was a huge mistake that has caused much more damage than anything to the country, but unfortunatly people will think that makes them unpatriotic.  |
Date: 8/30/2007 4:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 64497
Its a horrible situation, but I can see why they don't want to let just any refugee in. Although, I wish that they would give asylum a whole lot quicker. Thanks for sharing this. -Callice  |
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Date: 8/30/2007 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
It's better than Saddam, say hopeful Iraqis,The poll, the biggest since coalition troops invaded Iraq on March 20, 2003, indicates that by a majority of two to one, Iraqis prefer the current leadership to Saddam Hussein's regime despite the collapse of security and lack of public services. The survey, published yesterday, found that contrary to the views of many Western analysts, most Iraqis do not believe they are in a civil war. Comments from Baghdad residents this weekend reflected the poll's findings. Many said they were starting to feel more secure on the streets, although horrific bombings have continued. "The Americans have checkpoints and the most important thing is they don't ask for your IDwhether you are Sunni or Shia," said one resident. "There are no more fake checkpoints so you don't need to be scared." Residents of a northern Baghdad district were heartened to see on the concrete blocks protecting an Iraqi army checkpoint the lettering: "Down, down with the militias, we are fighting for the sake of Iraq." It would have been unthinkable a few weeks ago. Residents said they noted armed militias were off the streets. In a boost for the other arm of the surge, Sunni tribes from Anbar have united to oppose al-Qa'ida, sending thousands of young men to join the government security forces and co-operating with US and Iraqi commanders." If you wish to read more of this, http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21404747-2703,00.html So thinker I guess it depends on who is talking, as opinions differ, but this poll has talked to more then just a few people. I think I'd rather be displaced then live under saddams rule. And NO I do not think that under the circumstances that the united states needs to take in more refugee's. Just because they might say they are not fanitical and kill the Americans, we can't really know that can we?  |
Date: 8/30/2007 10:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
Deb, Hussain was a bad, bad man... but people still had their homes, jobs, clothes on their backs - oh, and they had their families.  |
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Date: 8/30/2007 10:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Even AFTER Saddam his people are still doing what saddam did, and THIS is what were fighting against, people that would do these things. '''Separately, 15 bodies were found by Iraqi troops on Tuesday, in Latifiya south of Baghdad on Tuesday. The decapitated corpses were found inside an abandoned base of the former Iraqi army, Defence Ministry Captain Sabah Yassin said. The bodies included 10 men, three women and two children.http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/35-corpses-shot-and-beheaded-found-in-Iraq/2005/03/09/1110316096706.html, BEN, but ^^^^ for how long? Living in constant terror that you might say or do the wrong thing and be killed like these people above, isn't freedom, having material things isn't freedom when living in terror daily. |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 63194
I can't say that I entirely disagree Deb, however, if this war is to be justified, I want to see stronger results - and if not that, honesty. |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:21:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
FB, you're so funny; and I don't mean funny as in: humorous ha ha ha either. That piddly, puny URL you provided is just plain...ridiculous. A poll of a mere 5019 were polled ! A tiny tiny 5019. Did you even do some basic arithmetic? Gee whiz, Lady, you really have no clue what you're talking about. Did you read where it said "About 53 per cent of Iraqis believe security would improve AFTER the withdrawal of foreign forces..."? AND.....ALSO where it said: "One statistic that bodes ill for Iraq's future is the number of people who have fled the country, many of them middle-class professionals. Baghdad has been hard hit by the brain drain - 35 per cent said a family member had left the country. " ???? |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:25:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
The Iraqis do not trust the US military. Cooperating Iraqis are hunted down and massacred. Our presence there has turned the country into a World's Fair for extremists, radicals, and terrorists. ONE IRAQI says: "Let me clear it up for any moron with lingering doubts: It’s worse. It’s over. You lost. You lost the day your tanks rolled into Baghdad to the cheers of your imported, American-trained monkeys. You lost every single family whose home your soldiers violated. You lost every sane, red-blooded Iraqi when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out and verified your atrocities behind prison walls as well as the ones we see in our streets. You lost when you brought murderers, looters, gangsters and militia heads to power and hailed them as Iraq’s first democratic government. You lost when a gruesome execution was dubbed your biggest accomplishment. You lost the respect and reputation you once had. You lost more than 3000 troops. That is what you lost America. I hope the oil, at least, made it worthwhile." |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:27:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Another Iraqi woman had this to say: "Your country is purportedly 'selling' 2 million barrels of oil a day, but you are standing in line for 4 hours for black market gasoline for the generator. " "For every 5 hours of no electricity, you get one hour of public electricity and then the government announces it's going to cut back on providing that hour. " "Al Qaeda? That's laughable. Bush has effectively created more terrorists in Iraq these last 4 years than Osama could have created in 10 different terrorist camps in the distant hills of Afghanistan. Our children now play games of 'sniper' and 'jihadi', pretending that one hit an American soldier between the eyes and this one overturned a Humvee. " "We literally do not know a single Iraqi family that has not seen the violent death of a first or second-degree relative these last three years. Abductions, militias, sectarian violence, revenge killings, assassinations, car-bombs, suicide bombers, American military strikes, Iraqi military raids, death squads, extremists, armed robberies, executions, detentions, secret prisons, torture, mysterious weapons – with so many different ways to die, is the number so far fetched? Let's pretend the 600,000+ number is all wrong and that the minimum is the correct number: nearly 400,000. Is that better? Prior to the war, the Bush administration kept claiming that Saddam killed 300,000 Iraqis over 24 years. After this latest report published in The Lancet, 300,000 is looking quite modest and tame. Congratulations Bush et al." |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
It's like Baghdad is no longer one city, it's a dozen different smaller cities each infected with its own form of violence. It's gotten so that I dread sleeping because the morning always brings so much bad news. The television shows the images and the radio stations broadcast it. The newspapers show images of corpses and angry words jump out at you from their pages, "civil war… death… killing… bombing… rape…" Rape. The latest of American atrocities. Though it's not really the latest- it's just the one that's being publicized the most. The poor girl Abeer was neither the first to be raped by American troops, nor will she be the last. The only reason this rape was brought to light and publicized is that her whole immediate family were killed along with her. Rape is a taboo subject in Iraq. Families don't report rapes here, they avenge them. We've been hearing whisperings about rapes in American-controlled prisons and during sieges of towns like Haditha and Samarra for the last three years. The naiveté of Americans who can't believe their 'heroes' are committing such atrocities is ridiculous. Who ever heard of an occupying army committing rape??? You raped the country, why not the people?" FROM HERE: http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ |
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Date: 8/30/2007 11:43:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
quote FB: "It's better than Saddam," SAY WHAT!? IF what happened during the reign of Saddam is a reason to invade, destroy and occupy a country, then you better start looking around. The Congo and Darfur are just two regions where murder, rape and torture are institutionalized. MILLIONS , m'dear, millions have been massacred, tortured , imprisoned, and starved, and it is still going on right now. YOU still are under the DELUSION that we invaded Iraq "to help the Iraqi people" ! Try....TRY to catch up, eh? Catch up with what the whole world now KNOWS....the truth about why we're there in Iraq in the first place! |
Date: 8/31/2007 6:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
If current liberals were alive during the civil war here is what they would say: "I don't think there's any doubt that this civil war has turned out to be a disaster for many negroes, who were provided with food, clothing and shelter free of charge prior to the signing of the so-called Emancipation Proclamation, and are now left to fend for themselves." Yes. Only certain people should be free. Iraqis were better off under a dictatorship instead of being given a chance that evidently only white Europeans and European descendants are privileged to have. Thinker, I'm sure you would rather live under the yoke of Saddam, than have freedom if it meant hardship for yourself and family in the ongoing years of working out and struggling to build a semblance of a democratic society. I'm sure black people hated the years following the civil war and yearned for the good old days of slavery.  |
Date: 8/31/2007 6:48:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
We should have used the tried and true cold war tactic of replacing Saddam with our own dictator. As the Iraqi people continue to show little inclination for self government. Of course the politically correct crowd would never go for it. So who really has blood on their hands?  |
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Date: 8/31/2007 6:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 15228
Or, we could have tried following the wwII model of war. Destroy them utterly, bomb them to oblivion, careless of civilian casualties, or the electricity grid, (forget refuges...kill them before they reach refugee status), than build the country back up. There is nothing that says "you've lost big time", more than having your country utterly destroyed. |
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Date: 8/31/2007 7:03:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
See Kelly those same folks would have a fit over the big mushroom cloud also. Mostly because it would contribute to global warming. |
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Date: 8/31/2007 8:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Oh Thinker don't be so silly, mine had 5019 in the poll and yet your post talks of only one womans voice. Dont YOU understand that yes, if I was some of them I'd leave a country having war too. See the problem was with Saddam, they could not leave. Yes honey I read it all, and I read so many other web sites. You condemn me for a small poll yet you take the word of one woman? hummmmmmmm what is wrong with that math? In another web site on your woman she has said, "This agreement, the fourth between UNHCR and the Syrian government, is part of UNHCR's commitment to support the country's response to the crisis of Iraqi refugees. Since the beginning of the year, UNHCR has committed a total of $9.6 million in agreements with the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, the Ministry of Education and the Governorate of Al Hassake. The funds are being be used to rehabilitate 70 schools and build three new ones; to provide thousands of Iraqi schoolchildren in Syria with textbooks and other supplies; to construct a new hospital in Damascus; to support nine health clinics; and to provide food to Palestinian and Iraqi refugees." Gee I think they are being taken care of. Story date: 1 May 2007 UNHCR Briefing Notes This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson Jennifer Pagonis – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at the press briefing, on 1 May 2007, at the Palais des Nations in Geneva. But see the point is it doesn't matter if it was 2 million or 4 million or what, point being that you look for all the horrible stories, but you disreguard the happy stories. |
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Date: 8/31/2007 9:02:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
It is not just "one womans voice." It only represents one of MILLIONS. I've read many stories like that one. Why are there millions of people leaving Iraq, FB? Have you any idea what depleted uranium is? IF you don't, then study up on it. OUR MILITARY /GOVERMENT'S POISONOUS LEGACY: Depleted Uranium: http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html DEATH MADE IN AMERICA http://www.rense.com/general70/deathmde.htm NOT ENOUGH..? Read...read...read... more more more....HERE: http://www.rense.com/Datapages/dudata.htm |
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Date: 8/31/2007 9:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
And YOU ...you look for all the so called "happy" stories; the propaganda stories, but you disreguard the horrible, the REAL stories. Locked, Loaded and Looney: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/30/opinion/30thu3.html |
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Date: 8/31/2007 9:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
"I participated in a hoax on the American people, the international community, and the United Nations Security Council," === Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff Lawrence Wilkerson makes the startling claim that much of Powell's landmark speech to the United Nations laying out the Bush Administration's case for the Iraq war was false. |
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Date: 9/5/2007 1:28:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
Not mentioning any names here, but SOME people just keep on going back to drink the Limbaugh/Oreilly/Hannity kool aid . Yummy...yum yum. |
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Date: 9/5/2007 1:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
"we could have tried following the wwII model of war. " Kelly...when the Japs destroyed Pearl Harbor, Roosevelt didn't invade ANOTHER country in retaliation. And Roosevelt's Vice President had not just come into office straight from a job as the CEO of a war profiteering company. And neither was his vice president (Truman) the REAL President pulling Roosevelt's strings. Also, Roosevelt knew how to address the American people. And when he did he didn't lie through his teeth while he had a stupid smirking grin on his face. And at the time there were no such thing as a bunch of chickenhawk American neocons who were obsessed with conquering the world and filling the President's head full of all sorts of grand and glorious notions. |
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Date: 9/6/2007 10:59:00 AM
From Authorid: 2030
Some people continue to use the same tired old insults and buzzwords ad nauseum. |
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Date: 9/6/2007 11:17:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 24924
You mumbling to yourself there, BCAR? If you'll message me your address, I'd be glad to send you a big ole mirror....free of charge. |
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