Date: 12/15/2005 9:49:00 AM
From Authorid: 30093
" If you want to defend child molestation,worship satan or vote for Kerry do so." lmao.. I love how you bundled those 3 up.  |
Date: 12/15/2005 9:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
I think to not care to hear is less respectable than the right to speak. If you dont want to hear, that is fine, but then you are obviously not exploring other concepts or possibilities- That to me is the problem with conservatives, they dont realize that you do have to listen to both sides in order to get a full understanding of whats going on. You cannot hate an enemy without knowing why you hate them.  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
I do agree with you on the subject of child molestation, I do however think that the true meaning behind ( I know this is in regards to the other post) the aclu is not to protect such disgusting perverts- but just like the conservatives, unfortuantly they get extremists who end up taking charge. |
Date: 12/15/2005 9:52:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
No Ben the problem with conservatives is we always take the high road. Everyone DOESNT have to hear both sides of everything. We are the land of the free and one freedom is to not listen to garbage when we hear it  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:53:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
They should not defend extremists like that. My point has always been,when you defend the rights of one you are opposing the rights of others. If you defend nambla you are opossing the rights of children. If you defend your right to hear you are opposing my right to not hear or vice versa |
Date: 12/15/2005 9:53:00 AM
From Authorid: 19092
I laughed at that too Nanaki, everyone has freedom of speach. But remember, some speach comes with consequences...  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:54:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
Yeah- sadly most wont listen to such "garbage" because it has to do with giving ALL humans rights, rather than christians.... Man, what garbage... Cant believe anyone would want any body besides a conservative christian to be able to live freely, gosh, what was I thinking? ................ Im sorry, if your not willing to hear your enemies story, than you obviously have no right in considering them an enemy- you may have the priviledge, but it makes one look stupid if they dont know their enemy. |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:55:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
Again Ben you jump to conclusions and miss the point. My point was I have every right to not listen if I choose not to. You cant make everyone think like you. Thank God |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
I know who my enemies are. They are not people on the internet. Lets face it nobody cares but us what we type online. My enemies are the politicians that support abortion,let murderers go free and help abusers get their hands on children. I fight my enemy by voting and helping dilute the liberal media lies. Not typing cute little arguments online where we have a peeing contest to see who is more intelligent |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:57:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
Okay Melissa, Now i understand what you mean- However, although it is your right to not hear- what is it that you dont wish to hear? you are speaking extreme things- its not in the media everyday that we should promote child molestation, worship satan, or vote for John Kerry (IMHO, we were doomed with last election either way- Kerry or Bush arent neccesarily capable of handling the presidency- Bush has already proved himself a failure, and I believe Kerry would do the same- So I am not neccesarily so Liberal as you may think==== I just care about the rights of ALL people- not just the right to speak- but the right to live without discrimination. |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:58:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
Thank-GOd- lol, I am not trying to make everyone think like me, what I want is for you to realize that its complete STUPIDITY not to know your enemy- again, I dont mean that one should listen to why molesting a child is okay- I for one would shoot the person telling me that it is okay to molest a child. |
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Date: 12/15/2005 9:59:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
Some people must be discriminated against. Not liberals or conservatives or your religion. But religion teachers GOOD. if your religion is to rape children or murder then you should be discriminated against. Or if you are a dictator with idiot sons into genocide |
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Date: 12/15/2005 10:00:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
So now we are arguing the same point. lol |
Date: 12/15/2005 10:05:00 AM
From Authorid: 36704
I don't mind hearing what other people have to say, usually. People can make a point without yelling, namecalling and animosity and it usually gets the point across better. Otherwise they just look like raving lunatics who don't have a point so they have to get mad and throw a tantrum. Other than that, both rights are important, and really it comes down to respect, respect enough to listen and respect enough not to push your ideals on to others.  |
Date: 12/15/2005 10:17:00 AM
From Authorid: 62849
I haven't really read any other comments... sorry.. and I only kind of understand the post because my brain is so fried right now, but I *think* I have an answer for you, LOL. I think they're equal- as long as the person practicing their right to speak isn't invading the free ignorer's pesronal space. I mean, we get the fundamentalists on the corner downtown holding signs and yelling at all of us for being in the bars and living lives of sin. Well, ok. To be honest, that kettle doesn't really hold a lot of water for me, because I'm a good person and I don't believe I'm being sinful. But the fact that they're out there doing their thing is fine with me as long as my lack of reaction doesn't elicit any reactions on their part- get what I mean? Sometimes they get mouthy and right up in your face... well, in that case I think that their freedom of speech is shaky, at best.  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 10:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 62849
OK. After I rambled I came up with a better way to say it: They are equal unless the free speaker is violating the ignorer's right to ignore. There. Terse. |
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Date: 12/15/2005 10:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
Melissa, I understand that- but I do not think that punishing a child molester is worthy of the word discrimination... I think that if anything these are the people most fit for the death penalty. I do disagree that religion teachs good. I believe that faith teaches good, but I believe that religoin is bad.. OPINION MY OPINION MY OPINION- we dont need to argue that lol... what I am saying is this, its up to the individual to be a good person, and they can acheive that or not achieve that with or without the help of religion. Yeah- Saddam being harrassed- is not discrimination in my opinion. For example... A homosexual,woman,african/native/latin/WHITE american is not worthy of discrimination- while a murder is worthy of justified elimination lol..... |
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Date: 12/15/2005 10:20:00 AM
From Authorid: 63194
murderer* i.e. saddam.... he shouldnt even be in trial- they should have shot him when they found him. |
Date: 12/15/2005 10:29:00 AM
From Authorid: 47162
uhh i think they're both equal....  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 11:36:00 AM ( Admin )
Many people think that freedom of speech relieves them of any responsibility and they say what ever they feel. A person should review their thoughts and make an effort to present them in the most meaningful and interesting manor without malice, insult or condemnation. |
Date: 12/15/2005 11:43:00 AM
From Authorid: 27534
Freedom of speech does have a responsibility....you cannot print or say just anything you want as free speech to make yourself heard. The listener's rights are protected. It was stated by the U.S. Supreme court that a person's right to free speech doesn't include yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre to see patrons exit in choas. The place, the audience, and the manner is judged. It is like firing a bullet. The shooter is responsible for the act of shooting and the responsiblity for where the bullet lands.  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 11:45:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
I think you all made very good points. We are all sorta saying the same thing right. The rights are equal so if you want someone to listen to you,come off as intelligent. Argue your point with fact and not tantrum. If you insist on namecalling and pettiness while exercising your right to speech,everyone else will exercise their right to ignore you |
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Date: 12/15/2005 11:51:00 AM
From Authorid: 27534
In the Skokie case the American Nazis were protected to do exactly that...name calling... expression of their anarchy...racism....ect....They were limited in their parameters...their parade routes ...ect. Skokie was chosen as their site due to a heavy Jewish population at which the parade was aimed at. |
Date: 12/15/2005 2:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 53284
I think that you're trying to define what tolerance is. If you listen to what someone has to say, don't agree with them, but recognize their right to say it then you are tolerating them. In my opinion, we all need to practice this type of tolerance.  |
Date: 12/15/2005 5:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 54444
Great very sensible post. thanks 63172  |
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Date: 12/15/2005 5:47:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 63172
TY! |
Date: 12/15/2005 6:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I cannot argue this.  |
