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Medical ethics: are pro-lifers justified in lying?

  Author:  47218  Category:(Debate) Created:(5/1/2004 3:43:00 PM)
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I've been pondering over this from another debate and finally decided to post it as a debate.

The issue is: there are these pro-life organizations called "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" which strive to deter women from choosing abortion. Now, some centers (note that I say SOME, not all) have been known to be a little less than forthcoming with their clients-- they advertise themselves as women's healthcare clinics, even though they have no one on staff who is medically certified, and offer pregnancy tests, even though no one on staff is certified and thus qualified to interpret test results (I believe you have to have a nurse on board to do that. anyhow, it's illegal for them to do it). So a woman will come in to get a pregnancy test, and they will tell her that it will take an hour for the results to come back (it only takes a few minutes) and only later that they can't read the results themselves, and while she's waiting, they will show her scary, gruesome films sometimes containing some rather medically innacurate information about abortion-- like dead babies in dumpsters-- which the woman came to the clinic with no intention of watching, heck, she had no idea that that was the "clinic" did. Well, I was wondering why Christian people would resort to such devious means and it occurred to me that these people view abortion as murder and believe that what they are doing is saving lives. So I thought of a parallel:

Nazi Germany (yeah, I know, everyone's favorite scenario). Your neighbor's hiding a Jewish family in their attic. You know about it and you sympathize. So, when the SS knocks on your door and inquires whether you know of any traitors in the neighborhood who are hiding jews, you lie and say, "no." Most people would say that, in this scenario, lying is morally right because you are protecting innocent lives. So why not the same for the previous scenario?

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Date: 5/1/2004 3:50:00 PM  From Authorid: 12966    I am a Christian and I believe that abortion is NEVER justified, not in ANY situation, but I believe that what these people are doing is also wrong. Instead of trying to prevent abortion by illegal means, they should try harder to make abortion illegal.  
Date: 5/1/2004 6:02:00 PM  From Authorid: 57028    And here's a better idea: Not getting pregnant when you don't want a baby.  
Date: 5/2/2004 1:46:00 PM  ( From Author ) From Authorid: 47218    okay, abnormal, that wasn't really my question, but I'll go with it...so you're saying that it is justified to lie to a person who made a mistake?  
Date: 5/2/2004 3:56:00 PM  From Authorid: 62060    If abortion is so wrong, why do some Christians need to lie about it to stop it? Why do some fundamentalists choose to bomb abortion clinics to 'save' lives?  
Date: 5/3/2004 12:12:00 PM  From Authorid: 59876    no it isn't right to lie or mislead to gain one's own truth over someone else's.  
Date: 5/3/2004 9:21:00 PM  From Authorid: 36079    If a person where in a hostage situation would you want the police to do everything they could even lie to get you out alive? It's kind of the same thing. But for credibility sake so others could say they can help us we can trust them, then I don't think they should lie. I once heard of a man who had food outside of an abortion clinic he would council the women and offer them snacks if they like but if they ate they couldn't have the procedure performed becouse of the type.  
Date: 5/5/2004 9:55:00 AM  From Authorid: 62682    I think lying sometimes is necessary to save someones feelings sometimes. But on important issues or something that a person really needs you to be honest about for their own sake I think you should be honest....this is a tough one, I have many feelings on lying. I dont believe in decivers and I dont believe in lying to benifit your own self.
~~~Humming Bird
  
Date: 5/5/2004 10:09:00 AM  From Authorid: 28946    We have a crisis care pregnancy center locally that is run by several church members but there is a med. doctor on staff and several nurses that also donate their time. So there are some centers that do have legitimate medical people on staff.  
Date: 5/5/2004 12:01:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I feel that ANY woman contemplating abortion should see the TRUE gruesome realities about it prior to doing it. It's the hearts and flowers places that scare me...they PRETEND that it's a "simple medical procedure with few possible medical complications".....WRONG. The truth of what happens to the fetus and woman should be shown and if a woman still wants an abortion after seeing all of this, then it was TRULY her choice in having an abortion. So, I do agree with these tactics so long as a woman isn't abused by anyone in any way trying to prevent her from having an abortion and she isn't preventing from leaving the facility at any given time.  
Date: 5/5/2004 12:19:00 PM  From Authorid: 62681    Two questions to Pro-Lifers: (1) Why do you care if someone *else* gets an abortion? (2) If you're a Christian Pro-Lifer -- wouldn't the aborted fetus go immediately to heaven? Wouldn't that be a *good* thing? -- The Wandering Jew  
Date: 5/5/2004 12:48:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    I can only speak for myself obviously...as a Pro-lifer. I care if a woman gets an abortion because I care about preserving what God has created. I care about the fetus having it's right to live. I care about every woman knowing the reality and severity of what an abortion truly is. Many women, when dealing with an unwanted pregnancy, have no one they trust to speak with for objective opinions. They often are terrified about even the idea of being pregnant and raising a child is unimaginable. That's why I CARE Immensely that every woman is given the TRUTH about both the physical and mental repercussions of an abortion and the actuality of what happens to the fetus. Ultimately though, I will not judge any woman who has an abortion since no one really has the right to judge another individual, only their actions  
Date: 5/5/2004 12:52:00 PM  From Authorid: 62681    I am okay with your suggestion that women be given the truth about abortion -- as long as you really mean the truth. And that truth MUST include that thousands of women have safe, effective, non-traumatic abortions every day. It's true, some women feel tremendous guilt after an abortion. But it's also just as true that many women do *not* feel guilt. Ultimately, it doesn't matter so much what your feelings about abortion are. What should matter is how much control of your life are you going to give to the government? THAT's what this issue is really about: the right for a woman to choose for HERSELF what she thinks is right in her own life. Not a church. Not a government.  
Date: 5/5/2004 1:09:00 PM  From Authorid: 34487    Yep...I mean the truth. The truth and results do very from woman to woman but know one knows prior to getting an abortion if they'll be one of those woman that have NO complications and psychological issues later down the road. Prevention is the answer and prevention means objective information. No, scare tactics that make them hate themselves for even contemplating abortion aren't the answer but reality is... and unfortunately, the reality is that abortion isn't ever pretty. Seeing an abortion from the fetus's perspetive via video isn't clean and easy. As for the emotional aspects that MANY women feel, they tend to keep them to themselves. Usually, the embarrassment and shame of an abortion doesn't hit until that woman gets married, has a child later on or just sees more in life. As a woman changes and grows older she has much time to reflect on decisions made in her past. This reflection stage can result in psychological or physical disorders down the road. Many things can cause this for her but abortion is usually at the top of the list.  
Date: 5/5/2004 1:31:00 PM  From Authorid: 36079    As far as why it matters is becouse I believe a life has value, it is a baby at conception and should be afforded the right to live. As far as telling the whole truth so you know exactly what you are getting into I was having this discussion with hubby. You should be told all the possibilities, probabilities and definates, if you can't handle it you shouldn't do it, and if you are not given all information you are not making an informed decision. People like to talk about STDs to kids showing them gruesome pictures and the like to persuade them to use protection or not take the risk at all. There are horror stories of abortions that were performed routinely and safely, they should be known. A woman should know that an abortion clinic can profit from the remains, they should know everything by the most reputable sources.  

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