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| Date: 12/20/2001 7:32:00 PM From Authorid: 47324 They sure know how to dress. *BIG JOHNSON* |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 47865
Well said.Intolerance should have no home here.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:32:00 PM
From Authorid: 46176
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it! People need to get a life if they are that paranoid. Tell your friend to ignore those comments. Most of us have a brain and we don't ridicule somebody just beccause of their sexual prefrence!!!<zano>  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 13546
There is NOTHING wrong with gays. *shakes head* they are the same as everyone else, just have a different preference. They breath like us, DONT they??? They love, laugh and cry.. right?? So.. there is nothing wrong with 'gays'. **HUGGLIES** Never change for anyone!!! Much Love,  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 20750
OMG!!!! I'm so sorry Emi & Gabriel D!!!! thats horrible!!  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 4231
okay..well..I'm Christian....in my religion (catholic) homosexuality.is VERY wronmg..its a sin...god did NOT put us on the planet to become inlove with the same sex. I personally feel its a choice we make based on how we were raised..also because the homosexual person many feel unwanted and turneddown by the opposite sex..Ido NOT agree with homosexuality..to any extent..Ido believe its wrong in all regards....I will not knock them..but I do think they need help, and guidance from god.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 13061
i honestly dont see anything wrong with it. i have many gay and bi friends. also, my aunt is a lesbian and has a girlfriend. big deal. grow up people, the world is full of diversity.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:44:00 PM
From Authorid: 19435
Emi, Jack, I am very sorry that you have been hurt...I read the comments myself and was readying a post too!! Words are a powerful tool and as much as they can help they in turn can cause damage...the remarks that person made were uncalled for. I am looking forward to GabrielDante joining the gang here and getting to know him.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 13061
and to sundin and all christians/catholics: in the times we're in now, we need to accept all. no condemn them as mental cases in need of guidance. |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 40199
sundin...that is just wrong. i know what the bible says, but just let him be him and you be you! and plus when the "bible" was written, it was all said that homosexuality was bad for the reasoning of production. with over population now anymore, homosexuality is more acceptible in that sense. and what is to say that the bible isn't fiction???  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:48:00 PM
From Authorid: 46176
I totally agree with Oedipus Guy. Sundin....do you REALLY think that people are gay because there not accepted by the opposit sex...give me a break! <zano> |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:50:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
Gabriel is thankful for these comments...it makes him want to come to USM now. he was beginning to have doubts. and Sundin...now i love u very much bro, but how do u know that the bible truly says that? have u studies it completely? ppl just think it says that because they usually read the bible wrong..show me where it says that being gay is wrong, and i'll believe u...give me a quote.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 18516
That's horrible! No there is NOTHING wrong with gays. You shouldn't judge a person by there sexual preference. I feel so bad for Gabriel..don't listen when people say this stuff. In life your always bound to run into a few bad apples..as long as your happy with yourself then that's what really matters. So forget the ignorant remarks.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:53:00 PM
From Authorid: 820
I don't see why some people are against Gays. I have no problem with them. They are REGULAR PEOPLE who deserve to be treated like anyone else! And I was reading Sundins comment, and I don't see WHY he even bothered to leave a comment like that, seeing how Gabriel was already upset about the last person who left a comment against gays. My dad is the same way. He is extremely racist, and very homophobic. I just don't understand these people...why do they have to be so ignorant? Just because some people aren't EXACTLY LIKE THEM doesn't mean they have to be considered "wrong" or "weird". I just wish people would grow up, and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 35720
I am Christian and I find that homosexuality is completely acceptable. I think that the world is changing and everyone is also changing in it. That includes sexual preferences. A long time ago, ALL gay people were ridiculed and looked down upon because it was considered a "mental disease" back then. And even further back, it was completely unheard of. But as I said, times ARE changing. I'm glad you're being true to yourself.  Keep it up. *hugs* And don't worry! Most people at USM accept people for who they are! So I hope you come join us!! Love,  |
| Date: 12/20/2001 7:57:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 IceAngel that is uncalled for how can u say that we should not look down on Gays but then turn around and say that peoples releigon christians should accept gays Who the heck r u to tell someone that their releigon is wrong - BlueHEL |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 32070
Emi. there Is NOTHING wrong with being gay! I am looking forward to meeting your friend. Sundin, you said, you feel it is a personal choice based on how we were raised and being turned down by the opposite sex. Well, I come from a family of 6 kids. My sister is gay, but none of the rest of us are. We were all raised the same way! And she was never turned down when she was younger by the opposite sex, and guys STILL ask her out. Rather they know her or not. So, I have to disagree with you there. *HUGS*  |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 47666
Emi here u go read ur heart out if u want more let me know Leviticus 18 2-23 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. - BlueHEL |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 13061
BlueHEL: the world is changing. accept diversity. you shouldnt look down on someone b/c of who they love, regardless of their preference. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 13061
BlueHEL: do you also believe in slavery? do you think women should be subject to their husbands? those are all in the bible. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 820
BlueHEL, if you read the comment IceAngel left correctly, you would've noticed that she didn't say anything about any religion being wrong, but for them to just simply accept homosexuals. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 820
BlueHEL, how can I be "Heterophobic" when I am a Heterosexual? |
| Date: 12/20/2001 8:03:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 Well U still didnt anwser my question IceAngel who the Heck do u think u r to tell people they should have to change their releigion and accept GAYs. U r not following ur own words by saying that maybe u should just accept peoples releigion |
| Date: 12/20/2001 8:05:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 I dont beleive in slavery but I do beleive woman should do as teh their husband says were does the bible mention that we should have slaves? and Nicole ur comments. - BlueHEL |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:07:00 PM
From Authorid: 13061
i didnt tell you to change your religion. im saying acceptance is the key. look at the times we're living in!! the prejudice!! if we all had just a LITTLE TOLERANCE then we'd be at peace! try reading my comments correctly please |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 13546
Seriously, some of you may not believe that being gay is right. okay I accept that, because you all have your own opinions, right? Well I have mine too! He is who he is, deal with it, no words anyone says, is going to change that! Its not a curse, its who he is inside and out. let it be. No bible pages will solve them, nothing.  *nods* and I say, PEACE to you all. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
IceAngel NEVER said to change ur religion...get ur facts straight before u attack....and ok..so the bible does say it...but i really don't think that matters...that was done many MANY years ago when ppl didn't have tolerance for ANYTHING....and to be truthful, i think the bible is wrong and made up..but thats just my opinion. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 19435
WTG Rainbow Angel!!!!!!! Well Said My Friend!!! |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 18516
Women should do as there husbands say...yeah right! As for god..I am a christian altho I may not read the bible and attend church but god in my book loves everyone. |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 42945
Well, I for one dont care what your preferences are I would still communicate with u and ur friend, and I say welcome to USM and ignore the ignorance of the minority, because on this site thats what they are, I have found everyone so friendly on this site and non judgemental, so cheers and have a nice Christmas (((hugs)))) Zeplin42  |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:16:00 PM
From Authorid: 42519
i agree with sundin on the account that i do not believe in it, it is not my cup of tea, but it is acceptable for me to have other people do it for i have several gay friends. one of which i was friends with for 5 years now. its their wants and their beliefs. the only time i do not appreciate it is when it is in public, basically P.D.A's. since this isn't really "public" in place where you can actually see one another, it does not bother me. and also, dont complain that you dont have equal rights. i loathe that. you have the same rights as the rest of us have, but it may not be in a religious setting, but by law, you have the same rights as the rest of us. love ya tonz. buffy771  |
| Date: 12/20/2001 8:17:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 Lemonade i dont know at this exact time but if u want to look somewere in the bible it says for the husband to Chastise his wife if they do not do as they r told |
| Date: 12/20/2001 8:19:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 and Emi I give u quotes like u said. u said if i did u would beleive us but yet u then say u still dont. - BlueHEL |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 39779
Please don't judge all of USM by a few small minded ppl. Not everyone thinks that way. I myself have a cousin who is gay and my best friend is a transexual. I love them both to death. They are my two absolute favorite ppl in the world. That might have been too much information but I was trying to make a point. everyone is entitled to their opinion just ignore the ones that are mean about it. So long as a person is happy with their choice in life nothing else should matter. Loves.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:22:00 PM
From Authorid: 30996
people are people no matter what. Hey, we all were born the same, we all bleed the same color, and we all die. so Welcome Gabriel! Dont mind some of the people with closed minds.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
Emi please tell your friend to IGNORE all the LOUD MOUTHED IGNORANT BIGOTS, we are NOT all like them. MOST of USM are intelligent, caring, NON JUDGEMENTAL people who are here to help others. PLEASE tell Gabriel I am sorry some people are raised to hate and not love. It is their loss, not his. Welcome to USM Gabriel..............  |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 30743
Well, I see Sundin's point of view. I do not have anything against gay people, I never have, never will. It is wrong according to my religion, yes, that is why I am not gay. To my knowledge however, God also says judge not lest ye be judged. So I do not judge. Just because my religion says it is wrong, don't bash that. It's what I believe, I worship God, and He says it is wrong. However, and it is a BIG However, I do NOT judge. I visited the website, and found nothing wrong with it. I accept all people, we all sin, I will not say I believe being gay to be okay, but I accept the fact that there are gay people and I do NOT judge them. These are just my views. *Shrugs* I cannot go against God to say it is all right in my eyes, but how others live their life is none of my business, and it doesn't affect friendship. A lot of people disapprove of things I do, does NOT affect our friendship. I hope my views do not affect my friendship with you, Emi, or a beginning friendship with you, GabrielDante. For I do not judge you, I accept who you are for it is not in me not to unless you first do something to me. And you haven't, lol, that I know of. I am one of the nicest people you will ever meet and a great friend. Looking forward to getting to know you, Love and Big Monkey Hugs!!!  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
If only everyone was as non judgemental as Monkey what a wonderful place it would be. Gabriel she is a very nice person and from what I hear she has EXCELLENT nanners........... |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
I have a very good friend that is gay. Being Gay does not mean ONE cant believe in Jesus. But I'm not going to go there right now as this is not what this post is about. I'll be glad to meet your friend.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 30743
LOL Racquie, judge for yourself.. he heh, hands Racquie a Nanner.. You have some too, Emi and GabrielDante.. By the way, I loooooooove your USM name... Gabriel and Dante are my two faaaaaaavorite names.. *thinks about future kids* LOLOLOL... Love and Big Monkey Hugs!!! |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
UUUUUUMMMMMM, thanks Monkey, that is a GREAT nanner, ........ |
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Date: 12/20/2001 9:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 30743
Bluehel... ummm... Okay. |
Date: 12/20/2001 9:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 18870
WoooHoooo MonkeyLovr, You took the words right out of my mouth. I know mant people, of many races, religions and so on....It dosent effect out Friendship because we look past all of that and look at what is inside, a caring person who has feelings just like you do....Why must people Judge others, but get mad when someone judges them. Now you see how that feels, so dont complain, jus stop doing it to others and maybe they too with stop judging you. A Big *HUGS* to Emi and Gabriel ( I hope I spelled that right). That had to take curage to post and then to get hurt by people who cant see past the outside....I am soo amazed at you two. Emi, you are such a wonderful person, and I truly love you, your an awesome writer and a great friend. Gabriel, I hope I get a chance to talk to you and I do hope you come to USM....*HUGS*  |
Date: 12/20/2001 9:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 35178
umm...i also think by my religion that being gay is a sin but i also do not hate people that chose to be...oh and someone asked to see a quote...leviticus ch. 18 v. 22 " Do not lie with a man as one lies with a women; that is detestable." That pretty much says it. I believe that God gave humans the freedom of choice. and that people chose to live their lives that way. that is their choice...i dont agree with their choice, and i do think it is a sin, but that is their choice. I love everyone. i just dont agree with how they live. **short angel**  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 9:42:00 PM
From Authorid: 35178
oh and to all those that are bashing others for their belief that homosexuality is wrong...thats their choice to belive and you telling them its wrong for them to think that way is being judgemental. **short angel** |
Date: 12/20/2001 9:52:00 PM
From Authorid: 26452
women should not do as their husbands tell them, men an women are equal & women shouldn't be treated like they are below men!(sorry,i had to add that part)and theres nothing wrong with gays,they are people just like us,actually i've noticed from my gay & bisexual friends they tend to be sooo much nicer too.and (please dont yell at me for this or quote from the bible ookies?) we actually dont have alotta proof that women & men were ment to be with eachother.its a known fact that if our sorrounding change or bodys adjust to survive,well what if men & women started out as man with man & women with women?but something happened or something like that & that couldn't be like that so our bodys adjusted to the whole women with man thing? maybe its actually the gay people who have it right? lol I dunno,just another one of my weird theories...welcome to the usm Gabriel,i hope you like it here & you sounds like a great person.luv -->  |
Date: 12/20/2001 10:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 45684
I personally find nothing wrong with homosexuals. If it is in your religion to think it is wrong, then that's just the way it is. That DOESN'T mean that you have the right to make fun of them or use sexually preferenced slurs. If you don't like homosexuals, Bluhel, that's your deal, but there's no reason for you to be calling them 'fags.' You can quote the Bible until you're blue in the face, but it won't make any difference. You've shown yourself to be ignorant as far as I am concerned. P.S. Welcome to USM Gabriel, please don't let a few turn you off of the whole ~technicolor  |
Date: 12/20/2001 10:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
The only people I know who have any type of problem with gays or homosexuality are the people who hide behind the name of God and use him as a scapegoat for their judgement. All I know that really matters is how you treat other people and if you are kind and loving. Not a thing in the world wrong with any person's sexual orientation.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 10:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
Wait now..I NEVER said I would believe the bible..I said i would believe that it was what the bible said..but I don't believe the bible. to be truthful, i think its a bunch of bull..don't get mad..just my opinion. |
| Date: 12/20/2001 10:15:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 Emi dont get me mad. I meant u said u would believe that the bible does in fact state that but it seems u r blowing it off as though it dont exist why cant u accept the fact that it does exist and God does not approve |
Date: 12/20/2001 10:33:00 PM
From Authorid: 46704
GabrielDante...wow thats a cool name! There is nothing wrong with gays. Ignore the bigots, most of us are not like them.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 10:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 3263
Nothing wrong with being gay, or straight, or blonde, brunette, fat, skinny, tall, short...but there IS something wrong with IGNORANCE. Don't let stupid people get you down, they are just insecure about their own lives and have to take it out on others to make themselves feel better.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 10:59:00 PM
From Authorid: 3263
Also, another point...lets say that you have 2 people, of the same religion...person A accepts homosexuality, while person B does not...keep in mind they are BOTH of the same religion. Does that make either person more or less "religious"?? I don't think God would want any of us to prejudge people based on their preferences. He would want us all to come together in harmony. Corny, you may say. Unrealistic, yet others may say. But that is how *i* see it. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 11:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
Dark Crow, corny or not, THAT is how I see it also, great point........ |
| Date: 12/20/2001 11:04:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 Ok Y is my 2 post gone is it cause they r of truth which u dont want to be heard? Isnt this a debate? Isnt the point of a Debate to argue different opinons? Or should we all agree and get along like little robots |
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Date: 12/20/2001 11:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 24580
BlueHel,, Do you follow Leviticus strictly ??? If not why ?? Since it clearly defines what is an abomination to God and you are using it to back up your claims that God abhors homosexuality by carefully exercising out those few verses that lend support your bigotry while handily ignoring the rest ( Hope you haven't eaten any Ham sandwiches lately.....) If those few verses are valid today as you claim,, is not then the rest of it valid as well...? Shouldn't you be out sacrificing a goat or trimming your beard or something... Zeno |
| Date: 12/20/2001 11:21:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 LOL ur crazy please state the verse u r referring to. I dont really eat ham that much although that cuban sandwich was kinda good.it had ham on it does that count |
| Date: 12/20/2001 11:26:00 PM From Authorid: 47666 o and what verses should i have added? r the verse that i put not in the bible r they not true to what i wrote? WHAT!. WHAT!. - BlueHEL |
Date: 12/20/2001 11:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 24580
Me Crazy ... surely..... but at least I read the reference material... Yea, sorry the ham counts...and you just made my point...from here on out this is just plain rhetoric ... Oh, the verse ( you really should read the whole Chapter closely before you use it for proof of anything more less Gods will - I bet you have violated at least half of these rules... you might want to see a farmer before you have a talk with your God... You are probably going to have a lot of sacrificing to do in so much as you follow this as Gods will......) "LEV 11 'and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you...." Hey 11:6 covers the rabbit and if you look around it even has some handy who you can date guidlines earlier on that is if you are interested ... Have fun... Zeno |
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Date: 12/20/2001 11:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 24580
GabrielDante, Welcome to USM ... I think you will find the majority of people here tolerant and reasonably enlightened... Of course we have a few that struggle a little... Glad to have you here and good luck... Zeno |
Date: 12/20/2001 11:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 30229
I accept everyone for who they are and do not judge... UNLESSSSSSSSSS, they are rude and offensive, then I get on my high horse, lol... But WELCOME to USM, GabrielDante... and most of the people here will be very kind and friendly to you, and for any who isnt, IGNORE them Hugggggs....  |
Date: 12/21/2001 1:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 35629
Well i accept him and welcome him and i am sure alot of others will also.People just tend to fear what they do not understand.I am sorry that things are this way.I hope that you enjoy your usm expierience.  |
Date: 12/21/2001 5:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 27414
If it feels good, DO IT!!!...pianoman  |
Date: 12/21/2001 6:47:00 AM
From Authorid: 47983
Anybody can be what they want! My friend is cath. and hes gay. Actually I think theres nothing wrong with it. Everyone is diffrent and has different needs...................~*Jeset*~  |
Date: 12/21/2001 8:42:00 AM
From Authorid: 19220
There is nothing wrong with being gay IMO. I know that some people don't like the act but have nothing against the person.  |
Date: 12/21/2001 9:02:00 AM
From Authorid: 10534
I'm sorry that happened to him. I hope he still wants to come to USM...THere are a few rude people here to every one, not just the gays. And there is NOTHING wrong with gays. I like how they can be so open about it, no matter what others say. It's hard, I guess...Again, I'm sorry that happened...  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 9:57:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
I do believe that its in the bible...but i don't believe IN the bible...as i said, i think its just bull...but thats just my opinion |
Date: 12/21/2001 10:14:00 AM
From Authorid: 16061
Emi there is nothing wrong with gays, who ever says there is needs to look at themselves first before accusing anybody of right or wrong. I have gay friends and straight friends even though I dont think of them as that. I laugh and joke with them all yes we have people who distinguish in real and of course they will be on USM as well. I am sorry that there small minded people will hurt you but think of the person it is coming from if they cannot except you or GabrielDante then they are not true friends what ever they say. I care about you because of what you are inside a caring person with a heart od gold. Be strong and take care.  |
| Date: 12/21/2001 11:23:00 AM From Authorid: 47666 Emi why u dont beleive in the bible cause it doent approve of ur choosen lifestyle - BlueHEL |
Date: 12/21/2001 11:30:00 AM
From Authorid: 19875
Bah, some people deserve to be kicked. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality, and I apluad anyone who is brave enough to 'step out of the closet' about how they feel. We cannot help who we love, no one can.  |
Date: 12/21/2001 12:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Homosexaulity is a sin. I live by the Holy Bible. I preach against homosexuality because it is a sin. It is a choice, there is no evidence anywhere to suggest otherwise. The main thing I am agianst on Gay Rights is the Hate Crime Bill, I am 100 percent against it, I do not believe that gays(or anyone) should even be covered under that, even thinking of that makes me sick. |
Date: 12/21/2001 12:18:00 PM
From Authorid: 43339
I think that being gay is a sin. But i will love you none the less and accept you for who you are gabriel. your a person, and you deserve love too. we have all done wrong *XOXO*  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 1:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I am totally agianst tolerance. If it is just don't beat up, then I would go along with that. It is telling you to accept what these people do. I can't because of what I beleive. So if you feel that we need to be tolerant, then do not tell me to be tolerant, because that is being intolerant of me. |
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Date: 12/21/2001 1:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
I don't believe in the bible because i am wiccan. I am not of one of the religions that believes in it. is that wrong too? |
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Date: 12/21/2001 3:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Yes Gays can change, because there are so many people who actually changed their sexual preference. (I am one of those). I was once Gay, now I am striaght. Trust me I was gay at one time. I am not bisexual, and I am not lying. So if people can change, then that would disprove the Gay Guene theory. |
Date: 12/21/2001 4:24:00 PM
From Authorid: 35705
i can not speak for others but only for myself & probably a few. I have no problem with gay, straight, or bi people. I will except GabrielDante for who and what he is. Im not gonna hate and dislike someone who cant help their emotions. Much Love to both of u! Luv,  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 5:20:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
Gays do not need to change. Intolerance needs to change. |
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Date: 12/21/2001 6:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 16671
Bible believing Children of God dont need to change, Intolerance needs to change. |
| Date: 12/21/2001 7:29:00 PM From Authorid: 37354 Why do the pro gays keep putting up posts on gays in the debate section and then complain about gay bashers when someone disagrees with their opinion. Hugo |
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Date: 12/21/2001 8:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 40199
i thought this was a debate about what is wrong with gays not what is up with the bible...the hell with the bible!!! |
Date: 12/21/2001 10:04:00 PM
From Authorid: 47296
To those who quote the Old Testament laws, understand this, those laws applied to a different people than us. They are Judaic law and applied to the children of Israel up to the time of Abraham. Many are quick to quote one or two of the ancient laws, but they forget all the others. The Bible talks of not wearing two different types of clothe, yet a lot of the clothes you buy today are made from two types of clothe. Many call themselves christian, yet they are not christ-like, which is what a christian is supposed to be. If a person is gay, then so be it. No one has a right to judge them for that. Come the judgement day, it is going to be interesting to see just how many gay-haters are turned away from the pearly gates because of their hatred. <Warrior Spirit>  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 10:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 38474
Hugo I certainly hope you were not thinking of me, I posted mine in the discussion section NOT the debate section.....Just wanted to make that clear........ |
| Date: 12/22/2001 2:44:00 AM From Authorid: 37354 No, Racquie, I am talking about this posts and others. This one asks "What is wrong with Gays". They should certainly expect some answers they do noy like. Hugo |
| Date: 12/22/2001 2:47:00 AM From Authorid: 37354 Unfortunately, for your statement Warrior Spirit, gays are JUDGED pretty harshly in the New Testament also. Hugo |
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Date: 12/22/2001 6:10:00 AM
From Authorid: 47296
To all those who think the Bible is totally against gays, go and read John 3:16. This verse was required to be comitted to memory when I was a kid, oh so many years ago. It was God's promise to the world that if they believed in his son, they would know heaven. Most of the gays I know are very much believers in Christ. Does the Bible lie? |
Date: 12/22/2001 6:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 36967
47296, Homosexuality is a sin 1 Corinthians 6 -11. Yes like all other sins, it can change, and you can repent from. |
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Date: 12/22/2001 9:21:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 1799
I never got mad at the people who had other opinions. I don't agree, but I never got mad. So don't accuse me of that, Hugo....besides..this is a debate..and in a debate, u fight both sides. so don't u dare accuse me of getting mad at people who have other opinions. |
| Date: 12/22/2001 9:49:00 AM From Authorid: 37354 Proclaiming faith and practicing it are two differrent things. Hugo |
Date: 12/22/2001 10:41:00 AM
From Authorid: 16538
I do think he made the choice to be gay with little influence from his enviroment. There are gays at my school and by the way they act and dress it just looks like they have a MAJOR case of just trying to be a attention pig. And I do think he can change totally and i think if he looked totally into his heart he would know he is not gay. AND QUIT DELETING MY POSTS THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU DELETED THAT YOU INCLUDED IN THIS STORY I ALREADY SAID I WAS SORRY FOR THAT BUT STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP.  |
Date: 12/22/2001 12:00:00 PM
From Authorid: 1631
I have no problem with gays until they become OBSESSIVE about announcing their gayness to each and every person they see. I have friends who are gay and we can go out and have fun without dwelling on the fact that "they are gay and why is the whole world out to persecute them????". I have met other gay people that make SUCH an issue of their sexual preference that it's no wonder they attract some negative attention and comments. I mean, if you are constantly advertising that you like popcorn and it's YOUR RIGHT to eat that popcorn and by God and all that is holy, why can't EVERYBODY accept popcorn and embrace your love of it...odds are you are going to run into somebody that does not like popcorn and they will probably tell you just that, whether you like it or not. My point is, if someone chooses this lifestyle, that's fine with me - to each their own, but don't be shoving it down people's throats and forcing EVERYONE to accept it. Also, I find some people use an alternative lifestyle as a scapegoat to blame ANY criticism on, for example "My boss reprimanded me because my register is short. He must not like me because I'm GAY!" No, he reprimanded you because your register is short and you (as anyone else) need to be accountable for that. Or, "She doesn't like me. It must be because I'm GAY!". No, perhaps she is simply uncomfortable with your preachy and overbearing personality. Be who you are, and be PROUD of who you are, but never expect EVERYONE to accept everything about you, because 100% acceptance in the world is a mathamatical improbability... |
| Date: 12/22/2001 5:13:00 PM From Authorid: 37354 Great comment, Ali. Hugo |
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Date: 12/23/2001 8:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
You really want to know what's wrong with gays? Read this: It's 1984 in Massachusetts – And Big Brother Is Gay By John Haskins Mary Clossey's children see no American flags at school to remind them that it is their safety that young men are risking their lives to defend. Rather, her daughter and other pupils are filed into an auditorium to hear a speaker liken the U.S. military to terrorists. For years the Newton, Mass., public schools have blithely violated a Massachusetts law that the flag be on display in every classroom. On the other hand, there are many flags on display if you count rainbow flags that symbolize a "gay-friendly" environment. When Clossey enrolled her son in Newton North High School's reading program little did she know that the teacher had bragged in the Boston Globe (July 8, 2001) of quietly introducing homosexual and transsexual subjects into his classes. The teacher, Michael Kozuch, handed out The Perks of Being a Wallflower by Stephen Chbosky with instructions to write an essay on it. What literary "treats" did Kozuch consider mandatory for other people's children? Sex between a boy and a dog, man-boy sex, a%$l sex between boys, male masturbation and female masturbation with a hot dog. By chance Clossey opened the book her son brought home. But what came after that shock was worse: She encountered public officials who saw protective parents as obstacles. Clossey called her mayor. He never called back. Calling school officials, she says she encountered "arrogant disrespect for parents." So she filed a criminal complaint against the teacher for corrupting a minor. Even Boston's hard-line pro-homosexuality newspapers and TV stations couldn't sit on this. But the complaint went nowhere. It emerged that Kozuch was not acting alone. The book was on a reading list given to every student. Urged by other furious parents, Clossey went to the local prosecutor. But the receptionist had been warned to expect her, according to Clossey. She waited and waited, but was not allowed to speak to her district attorney. After parents discovered the book, Newton North High School educators removed it from class discussion but refused to remove it from the reading list. Alert parents already knew the high-school language department, on one pretext or another, had showed Ma Vie en Rose, an R-rated film about a "homosexual" child. Pupils learned how "Ludo enjoys being a girl. Borrowing mommy's red high heels, her lipstick, her earrings … yummy!" Trouble is, 7-year-old Ludo is a boy, even if he is pretty in pink. Freshmen learn about masturbation and sodomy in a required course that uses street language, as if proper vocabulary would ruin the educational experience. A large mural in a corridor depicts two girls holding hands, reading something called "Romea and Juliet." Is Newton a rogue town? In nearby Brookline a transsexual told first-graders how his p^%&^s was cut off and he became a woman. With no sense of irony, the Globe called it "sex-change counseling." Parents, never notified, had to comfort their terrified children. Ashland children were instructed to play homosexuals in a skit. As reported in the Middlesex News on April 1, 1994, one boy's line was: "It's natural to be attracted to the same sex." Girls were told to hold hands and pretend they were lesbians. As reported widely in Massachusetts in 1992, at a required assembly in Chelmsford, an instructor used four-letter words describing the joys of a&*l and oral sex. The children then licked condoms. Framingham pupils found themselves answering this Orwellian questionnaire: "1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality? 2. When did you first decide you were heterosexual? 3. Is it possible heterosexuality is a phase you will grow out of? 4. Is it possible you are heterosexual because you fear the same sex? 5. If you have never slept with anyone of the same sex, how do you know you wouldn't prefer it? Is it possible you merely need a good gay experience? 6. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexuality? How did they react? 7. Why are heterosexuals so blatant, always making a spectacle of their heterosexuality? Why can't they just be who they are and not flaunt their sexuality by kissing in public, wearing wedding rings, etc.?" In Lexington, a parent discovered that her 13-year-old could borrow a book telling how gay men at the opera can socialize with "the backs of their trousers discreetly parted so they could experience a little extra pleasure while viewing the spectacle on stage." Her school purchased it with health funds. A prominent psychiatrist says the sex-ed curricula at these schools can lower children "to the level of animals" and inflict lasting harm. "Massachusetts schools' systematic promotion of homosexuality and promiscuity fosters sexual confusion and experimentation," says Nathaniel S. Lehrman, former clinical director of the Kingsboro Psychiatric Center in New York. "They dilute and trivialize [the capacity for] faithful sexual passion which should [later] be the cement of these children's marriages. Unstable youngsters may become particularly vulnerable to homosexuals who actively recruit them." There are teachers all over North America quietly mainstreaming homosexual behavior to children as young as 5 years old. As widely reported, on "Gay Days" classes are cancelled and students led to compulsory activities where homosexuals explain their "lifestyles." The mind-control techniques are straight from Soviet schools. Officials often confront parents who express anger, telling each parent, "You're the only one who complained." The implied message: "It would be unconstitutional to teach Judeo-Christian morality. So we're obliged to teach its polar opposite." Samuel Blumenfeld, a much-published author on education, says many school superintendents implicitly assert "that children (are) owned by the state." Compelling evidence from Massachusetts: Silver Lake's freshman health text says: "Testing your ability to function sexually and give pleasure to another person may be less threatening in the early teens with people of your own sex." And, "You may come to the conclusion that growing up means rejecting the values of your parents." Pupils were ordered to keep the book at school and never take it home. Needham High School violated the parents'-rights law by concealing from parents a schoolwide assembly in which a girl described her first lesbian kiss and rhapsodized about lesbianism. Teachers continued the discussion in homeroom. They also broke the law by failing to tell pupils of their right not to attend. Later, the gay club's faculty adviser announced, in poor English, that parents' decisions to remove their children next year would not be honored, as the "assembly (taught no) moral or religious beliefs." After a "Homophobia Week" of mandatory assemblies in Beverly, a 14-year-old told her father he was a "homophobe." She had learned that homosexuals have a right to marry and adopt children. Parents were not notified. A boy wrote to a local paper: "I felt disturbed and nauseated. I witnessed biased testimonies by gays and the public mocking of a priest in our auditorium." A Beverly parent removed a child after discovering the content of a four-day "sexual-harassment" program that replaced algebra. The teacher encouraged the pupil to come back, saying, "Your parents don't have to know." In Manomet, a health instructor passed out material that an eighth-grader said violated his parents' beliefs. "If you have any trouble with your parents, tell me and I'll handle them," the instructor replied. A Newton principal refused to remove children from the condom-distribution program, telling their parents, "It's too important." Local media cover such stories reluctantly, with headlines such as "Local Mother Angered by Sex Ed." They treat not the provocation, but the reaction, as newsworthy. Imagine this back-page headline informing the public of Watergate: "Partisan Democrats Criticize White House." In the July 8, 2001 Globe article headlined "More schools tackling gay issues," Kozuch discussed his efforts to use schools to shape children's views of homosexuality under the radar screen of parents. "It's low key," he said. "The point is that we want to treat (bisexual, homosexual and transsexual) issues in a way that's matter of course." Giving gay pornography to other people's children didn't used to be called "treating issues," say critics. And who told schools to "tackle" a*&l sex? "Where the radical homosexual movement is gaining control of curricula the citizenry must stop schools' systematic sabotage of children's moral development," says Lehrman, former chairman of the Task Force on Religion and Mental Health of the New York Federation of Jewish Philanthropies. Some militant homosexuals increasingly feel "called' into teaching the way other people are called to be missionaries. "Tolerance" programs claiming to support gay children (gay children?) provide cover for introducing obscene material and guiding troubled pupils toward homosexuality. The self-righteous comments of some educators suggest they see innocence as a thing to crush. A child not knowing about sodomy, they feel, is a thing to be corrected. Every child has a right and a need to know what homosexuals do to each other's bodies — and be told it is equivalent to Mommy and Daddy's marriage. "Leave no child behind." Blumenfeld wrote of the 19th-century establishment of Massachusetts' universal state education that fierce resistance by parents and voters was overcome only by a solemn oath by the state to confine itself to academic matters. The right of parents to guide the moral training of their children was guaranteed. But that was back when children belonged to their parents. Clossey got a letter from the district attorney informing her that Massachusetts schools, libraries and museums are immune from laws against exposing children to pornography. It's time to make it a federal felony to crush the innocence of children, with punishments trebled for "educators." John Haskins is executive director of the Parents' Rights Coalition (www.parentsrightscoalition.org). E-mail him at [email protected]. http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/160271.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's what is wrong. Teaching little children this garbage is what is wrong.  |
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Date: 12/23/2001 8:26:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Here are examples of what is wrong with the Gay rights movement. A school in minnesota, has a pro-gay policy, they have pink triangles(which is a gay symbol) with words (SAFE ZONE), they even have gay pride day. BUT a kid went to school wearing a Straight Pride shirt, with a boy and girl holding hands, with the words Straight Pride, the kid got expelled from school. Now the school claims to be tolerant, well is that really an act of tolerance. |
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Date: 12/23/2001 8:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
I hate to say this, but free girl is right. |
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Date: 12/23/2001 8:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 36967
Thing I have with the Gay Rights, the main problem is the Hate Crime Bill. I am Totally against that. I do not believe that gays(or anyone) should even be covered under this Bill. |
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Date: 12/23/2001 8:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 23610
I think this proves the point I was making earlier....people really do use the name of God as a scapegoat for all types of bigotry. Emi...I hope your friend can see through all this enough to know that these people are only the minority here at USM. There are many people here who are genuinely caring and friendly people. And that includes people of all walks of life. It's the minority who sometime attempt to scream the loudest to be heard....but being gay is not an issue at all to the majority at USM. I hope GabrielDante will become a member soon. *Hugs* |
Date: 12/24/2001 5:50:00 PM
From Authorid: 17693
absolutely nothing. unless they are just mean nasty people. which would mean there is something wrong with that PERSON.  |
Date: 1/23/2002 1:19:00 AM
From Authorid: 14412
You know I have finally seen some sides of people here at USM that I would have never thought would be in them. It is sad, that society and religion can be used to promote intolerance like this. If you feel this lifestyle is so wrong, well look at all the people that act normal but are still hiding feelings. They hide them to CONFORM to what is accepted wether it will make them happy or not. I have now seen how much intolerance is at this site by quite a few people I THOUGHT i KNEW WELL. guess I was wrong.  |
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