Date: 12/20/2001 5:05:00 PM
From Authorid: 22852
Those men and woman died for our country and their spouse's deserve to be compinstated as if they died in action. That is just my opinion. My husband fought in war and today can not work because of it. He gave up his way of life by choice so there is no complaints here, but those people did not volunteer to die. HeyLarry put it good in another post and said we should pay these people with the money we froze that belongs to the terrorists.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 18887
Hugo I agree with you. i wish that they should just except what they get. because its basically making us pay for something we had nothing to do with. thanks for the wonderful post as well  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:09:00 PM
From Authorid: 11091
These widows are not receiving nearly enough. Billions were raised, but only millions have been distributed.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:10:00 PM
From Authorid: 31255
I agree with stormchaser. Plus, the money that was suppose to go to these families from a lot of organizations have not been distributed and this is a lot of what not only widows are complaining about but the media has made aware to people as well.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 28848
Hon in my opinion there is no amount of money that uncle sam or us could give to replace that persons loved one or life that has forever been changed. I would be so angry at everything. I would probably file a lawsuit too.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:11:00 PM
From Authorid: 13079
Hi Hugo *hugs* WOW....what have you started here? *smile* I would not touch THIS with a ten foot pole......BUT if I WOULD.....I would say that if they should be compensated by anyone.....it should be their employer.....NOT the government. And Storm Chaser *hugs* They did NOT die "serving" their country They died because they just happened to be in the right place, at the wrong time......there is a difference. *hugs*  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:12:00 PM
From Authorid: 15394
I don't look at them like they are greedy, I see them as people that are trying to move on, and we the people gave billions, they see that we gave billions and those dollars were supposed to be for them... yet they receive 1500 here and there and are still having to come up with money for their lives... and no spouse there for christmas, how can they NOT ask for what is being shoved down their throats by the media as their deserved share of OUR we the people gift? .... I want my dollars going to THEM that are asking, they are whome I gave to in the first place arent they???  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:13:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Families of victims of the September 11 attacks will receive, on average, about $1.5 million from government and other sources -- excluding charities -- under regulations announced Thursday by the Justice Department. The range will be from $300,000 to families of single people earning as little as $10,000 per year to as much as $3 million for top-earners with large families....I think for the amount of casualties that each family is being compensated fairly...base
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Date: 12/20/2001 5:14:00 PM
From Authorid: 4548
i'd like to know what happened to all the money i contributed, quite frankly. like everyone else has said, with all that has been raised, they should be getting what they need and more by now. i saw something on CNBC where the red cross was being questioned about how they distributed the donations they received. i recall them saying something like 2/3 of it was allocated to other charities! and they said they could do with it as they saw fit because technically it is "their" money now.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 5:15:00 PM
From Authorid: 13079
That's just the point.....the money was DONATED *by citizens and taken in by charities*....why sue the government? |
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Date: 12/20/2001 5:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 18887
you guys there is only so much we could do to help those in need. we cant just give them all this money, and expect to live like me are now. I think schooling is more important, and i dont like the idea of them cutting school, or raising the prices on lunch. i dont like the idea, of more people moving on the streets cos they cant afford, because they had a pretty cheap house as it is. think about this before saying yes i think it would be great for them to have more money |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:28:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
Nope, not going to say a word here. Base and Pixie pretty well covered it and got me thinking something that would only enflame others.  |
Date: 12/20/2001 5:37:00 PM
From Authorid: 22704
so true!!!!  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 6:17:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Base, pretty much gave the facts behind the government giveaway. It should have been the duty of the deceased to carry insurance to protect their family in the event of death. This should not be a function of government. Private charity is fine, public charity is not. Hugo |
Date: 12/20/2001 6:51:00 PM
From Authorid: 16538
Oh yah just like when you had your father and/or mother die there. How would you like it if you were in there shoes ? Sooo until your parents die like that I dont think you should make a very ignorant opinion like that.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:01:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Yours is the ignorant opinion,my mother and father always did the responsible thing. They carried life insurance. Maybe when you are old enough to pay taxes you will understand my point. Children should stay out of the debate section. Hugo |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:06:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
I don't believe Hugo's statement is made out of ignorance, bigtex. It is made out of his concern that our country is becoming far too socialistic. The government is NOT there to "bail us out" when we need help. It is there to PROTECT us. Yes, they obviously failed in this case (WTC bombing) but overall our government has done a decent job of providing us all with security and stability. They should NOT be our babysitters or "hold our hand" everytime something bad happens to us. That is what charities are for. That is what FRIENDS are for, and that is what our individual COMMUNITIES are for. Maybe this is the ignorance you are talking about: the ignorance of believing that the government should and will provide our needs for us from the cradle to the grave. THAT, my friend, is ignorance.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:10:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Thank You, Paranoid. Hugo |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:19:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
No problem. I believe this happens to be one of the things we agree on  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 36704
Hey bigtex why don't you go ask a wife who lost her husband recently to an uninsured motorist who is now a widow with three kids to support and ask her if it's fair, or why don't you ask the families of the people who have lost their jobs as a result of Sept 11th if they think it's fair, or go ask people who are living on the street because donations to charities are down 70% because everyone is giving to the Sept 11th funds and see what they have to say about it, or how about any other charity that helps people with terminal and dibilitating diseases get medical care, wheelchairs, therapy, medication and see if they think it's fair, people die tragically everyday and are not compensated for their loses the way these people are being compensated. Asking for more money or not being happy is pure greed. They were offered more than most people are for the loss of loved ones. No amount of money can bring people back, and no amount of money can lessen the pain of losing someone if you truly cared about them. To be compensated is one thing to try to benefit off of someone's death is disgusting...base |
Date: 12/20/2001 7:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 27360
I guess it would depend which victims your talking about. The firefighters,police and rescue workers that went in and gave their lives to help fellow human beings. Was it one person complaining or is their a group of them? Do we put a price on life? If so what price do we put on it. The way I see it lots of money was raised to help these victims out. I think it should be given to them, if that is done then I dont think they will sue the government, besides it was my understanding the you couldnt sue the government.maybe I am mistaken on that part, if so then I am sure someone will correct me. I do believe that people should carry insurance, I personally have it but insurance can only last so long.  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:51:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
I am not debating the private charity issue. If there are individuals who wish to donate to relieve the sufferings of those with irresponsible deceased spouses that is their right. If however they wish to take socialism another step farther and have government provide funds it is my right to protest these actions. When these sorry widows complain about not receiving a big enough gift it irritates me greatly particularly when the news piece I saw was so obviously biased toward the widow's viewpoint. Yes you can sue the government. El Toro an appropriate insurance plan can last the surviving spouses lifetime and then some. Hugo |
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Date: 12/20/2001 7:54:00 PM
From Authorid: 27360
Out of curiosity, what amount do you consider enough to last a lifetime. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
(Your income divided by .06) plus ($20000 x number of children) is plenty. Invest it in a conservative no load mutual fund about 80% bonds 20% stocks and your income will be replaced with plenty left over for your childrens college.Personally I would be much more aggressive but I am giving a fail-safe option. Hugo |
Date: 12/20/2001 8:34:00 PM
From Authorid: 7152
Some of those women have received nothing. I was watching something on it on date line. Six widows have yet to receive any kind of finance help. Two of those women just had newborn babies and three of them have children and were at home mothers. I find the title of this post unintelligent and horrific. No holiday cheer hugo?  |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:41:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
No holiday cheer. I do not take a break in the battle against socialism. Get life insurance people.That way we won't have to suffer watching your surviving family whining on some news program. Hugo |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 7152
Thats your answer to everything, life insurance. Its getting old. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:55:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Your answer to everything is government, it is really getting old. Hugo |
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Date: 12/20/2001 8:58:00 PM
From Authorid: 7152
Government? My comment had nothing to do with the government. Are we now tossing stones? One shouldn't do that. |
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Date: 12/20/2001 9:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Well that is what this debate is about. Life insurance is the responsible alternative to let the government take care of me. I realize individual responsibility is passe. Sorry if I am a bit old fashioned and feel any responsible parent and spouse would have life insurance. Hugo |
Date: 12/20/2001 9:35:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Life insurance is not the whole answer."Man does not live on bread alone". Paranoid has already given the rest of the equation. Hugo
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Date: 12/20/2001 10:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 8224
With what they've had to go through, and as far as I'm concerned, they can complain until the cows come home - their entitled, and whatever compensation they feel is coming their way for "valid" reasons is their right - their nightmares of losing loved ones is far from over - the least any of us can do is muster up some more understanding and compassion.  |
Date: 12/21/2001 4:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 27360
I can see where you're coming from. I read where the families of the victims should receive 1.5 million dollars from charitable contributions. This should be enough without having to involve the government.
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Date: 12/21/2001 5:21:00 AM
From Authorid: 27414
While giving to these victims is appropriate to a point there is the issue of those that have lost financially due to the 9/11 incident and corresponding actions by the FAA that will NOT see a dime to effect compensation. Many smaller airports in this country have had to close due to loss of revenue of those incidents. The SBA offers loans but the requirements are too stiff. And ther is NO insurance for this...pianoman  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 8:58:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
These women are acting more like they just won the lottery than lost a loved one. Hugo |
Date: 12/21/2001 1:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 27046
Hugo Decemeber 21,2001.....my birthday... ~~~ I am going to agree with you on this one despite what other people have said. Let us not forget that the the enormous amount of money that was sent in through our donations was used to feed and provide medical services to the thousands of workers that have helped to dig through and clear away the rubble from the attacks. Secondly how many people do you know that lose a loved on a daily basis that get $1.5 million dollars for their loss. Secondly let us not forget that many of the larger families will receive more than that $1.5 million based on the size and economic needs of the family. If you ask me $1.5 million dollars in one lump sum is enough for anyone to live on for a lifetime. If its invested and handled right you can live off the interest of that alone. Let us not forget the life insurance policies that many people had on top of that $1.5 and let's not forget that every child that is a victim of this gets full college tuition paid for AND lets not forget that the firefighters that died have pensions and they are huge...their wifes will receive their full pay for the rest of their lives, in that case those women are missing their men physically NOT financially...Yes what happened to the people on Septemeber 11, is a tradgedy but their loss is no different than the woman and her 5 kids that lost her husband to a heart attack the other day. It just not make sense to me to complain over how much money you are getting at the expense of a loved one's life.  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 2:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Happy Birthday, Az. Thanks for your reply. Hugo |
Date: 12/21/2001 3:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 45611
I totally agree with Pixie  |
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Date: 12/21/2001 9:41:00 PM
From Authorid: 34476
Hey, thanks Hugo I happen to believe certain insurances are ALSO steps toward socialism, but that is a different matter entirely. At least it shows that one is not looking toward the government for yet another handout. |
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Date: 12/22/2001 2:20:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Those who voluntarily join a pool or form a commune or any other socialist organization are free to do so in a libertarian world. Libertarianism is not allowed in a socialist world.Hugo |
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Date: 12/22/2001 10:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 16538
Thanks hugo you are the only person on this website i dislike now. |
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Date: 12/22/2001 10:25:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Well have a nice day anyway. Hugo |
Date: 1/2/2002 9:40:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
So I guess you've neglected the term life insurance that pays up maybe $20,000 because your family could never afford anything better. Doubtful that amount will suffice for even a year under current economic circumstances and layoffs, not to mention putting children through college and food on the table...oh wait-bills and the funeral, too.  |
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Date: 1/2/2002 9:43:00 PM
From Authorid: 3321
Not to mention I also find this slightly sexist-you keep saying these women/wives. Well, dear, there are husbands who want their compensation as well. |
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Date: 1/3/2002 1:12:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
The show I saw on TV just had widows, no widowers, I am pretty sure some widowers are complaining too, but did not include them because I could not verify it. Hugo |
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Date: 1/3/2002 1:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Life insurance is quite cheap, much cheaper than SS. Hugo |
Date: 1/10/2002 5:45:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
The whole thing really pisses me off. WHere do these broads get off thinking that Uncle Sam owes them anything? I think they are getting confused and thinking they are widows of military members. It is sad that their husbands died in the WTC, but they did not die while defending their country. Let them have their insurance money, but give Uncle Sam's money to those who deserve it!!!  |
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Date: 1/10/2002 5:46:00 PM
From Authorid: 277
Persephone, the media has been saying "wives" not "husbands". |
Date: 1/13/2002 10:01:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
I agree with storm chaser.....have some decency  |
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Date: 1/14/2002 3:06:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
Let private charity take care of it if the deceased were to irresponsible to make sure their family would be taken care of.Hugo |
Date: 3/2/2002 1:03:00 PM
From Authorid: 26321
It sure is ! Also many cases of fraud are being uncovered . These people(crooks) should be stuck in a building and blown up ! Raz aka  |
Date: 3/17/2002 3:47:00 PM
From Authorid: 48587
Oh my god, just stop talking. Have some respect, this is an abomination to even read.  |
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Date: 3/17/2002 4:36:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 37354
What is an abomination is the liberal mindset which does not recognize the concept of individual responsibility. Hugo |
