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Date: 3/26/2001 8:39:00 PM
From Authorid: 5656
only God knows!!!  |
| Date: 3/26/2001 8:44:00 PM From Authorid: 23956 there are many accurate things in the bible, too bad it has been tampered with so much, so many things have been deleted, your really working with an incomplete picture of spirituality if you depend only on the bible. Logan51 |
Date: 3/26/2001 8:57:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
I depend on God and talking with Him but anyone that does not believe the Bible is the written word of God and decided for themselves that its not worth anything as man may have messed up a scriputre or two while printing and redoing it needs to rethink things.  |
Date: 3/26/2001 9:21:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
The examples You listed above can be found in the encyclopedia as well. Does that mean god wrote the encyclopedias as well. I think not.  |
Date: 3/26/2001 9:27:00 PM
From Authorid: 15033
It is all tooo awesome, this is just a slight nick in it...Thank you Firstborn For sharing it...Love,  |
Date: 3/26/2001 9:31:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
I think it is the word of god ...  |
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Date: 3/26/2001 9:53:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Well actually Enki, God created man, man wrote the encyclopedia so yes, God basically wrote it. Hey thunderhead, good to see ya. And HEY my buddy sixgun glad to see your up and at running. hugs to you all. |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
FB I assume that created rabbits as well according to the bible. If so why does it say in Leviticus 11:6 the Rabbit though it chews its cud, does not have a split hoof. Rabbits dont chew thier cud, God would have known that IF the bible were really written by him. |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:08:00 PM
From Authorid: 11528
The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved. Psalm 93:1 1Chronicles 16:30 He has set the Earth on its foundations, it can never be moved. Psalm 104:5 Yet now thanks to real science we know that the earth rotates on its axis and we also know that the earth wobbles in its yearly orbit of the sun. Those two verses I just mentioned are what the church based thier conviction of Galileo on. Now if god wrote the bible he would have known that the earth has a wobble and that it is constantly in motion rotation wise and in its yearly orbit as well. |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:24:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
well enki i cant answer you about the rabbit as I havent looked it up. But as far as the earth not being moved I'm postive HE meant out of it place in the universe. But remember we are in not in the debate section so we wont debate here. Oh and by the way what does a rabbit do? Nibble? |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 15621
The word used for rabbit or hare is "tbnra" in the hebrew.....it is a animal of unknown origin,most certainly not a rabbit,thought to be extinct......it was just translated as hare or rabbit because they were not positive what it was |
Date: 3/26/2001 10:29:00 PM
From Authorid: 30527
Outstanding post with outstanding supporting evidence. Yes, the Bible is real, and true for that matter. Why? If something as magnificent as the events within the Bible should occur in our society today, does it not seem likely that we would want to document such extrodinary events for the future generations of this planet? This is precisely what has been done in the text of the Bible. No other therory or belief has attempted to explain so many questions to which human existance has so ofen asked. All biblical text was inspired by God, the only one who could have known the answers to so much......... High Speed  |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:38:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thanks my buddy!!! I really need a translation program like you have. Hey highspeed thanks for stopping by and I agree with you 100%. |
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:40:00 PM
The only information ever recorded by the Egyptians in regard to Israel is that they were a neighboring tribe. No slaves, no plagues, no death of the first born, no exodus, no parting of the Red Sea. On the referenced passages: Isaiah 40  2 A circle is not a globe. The reference to the heavens being stretched out like a curtain over the circle suggests the world as being like a "snow dome."Isaiah 55  The heavens are higher than the earth from our perspective only. Relatively speaking, everyone sees the heavens as being above them.2 Peter 3  I don't understand how this relates to conservation but it seems to contradict the first law of thermodynamics. Depending on your interpretation of "standing out" coupled with the creation message, the earth could not be "of water" chemically.You mention Ecclesiastes 1:6-7 but you miss 5 where the sun is personified as rising and setting and hastening to his place to rise again. The sun does none of these. Job 26 Hard to interpret in relation to gravity considering the northern sky isn't hung anyplace and has nothing to do with gravity but in 11 we get a decidedly non-scientific explanation for thunder.Leviticus 17:11 An explanation as to why you shouldn't eat blood. If I were you I would try to cast this as an example of microbiology. This is mine: 1 Kings 7 3-26 The debate is still out over the value of PI here but even in the mid-20th century there were still scholars who thought it was 3. Current explanations try to say the brim and the thickness values are the same though it's very hard to see. You also have to take the maximum extreme length of the cubit rather than the average that all scholars use.It's also hard to talk about Biblical consistency when the first two chapters, Gen 1 and Gen 2, describe the same event but contradict each other. Gen 1 9 says every tree but Gen 2:17 excludes one tree. Gen 17 says male and female were created in His image but in Gen 2 woman isn't made until after man in Gen 22. And Gen 1 has men and women created after the animals but Gen 2 has man created before the animals.And can I kill? The Bible says no but lists a number of offenses for which death is mandatory. |
Date: 3/26/2001 11:02:00 PM
From Authorid: 19384
Firstborn, what an interesting post. I didn't know all this, thanks.  |
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Date: 3/26/2001 11:04:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
wow AA you had a lot to say. But god is still God and has created all things. |
| Date: 3/26/2001 11:06:00 PM And I am not saying that He didn't. The Bible raises a lot of questions. |
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Date: 3/26/2001 11:13:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
Your right it does and that is why I love to read it, find something new everytime. |
Date: 3/27/2001 8:18:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Firstborn of course it is the word of God. The question is it God's word is what is questionable........Azairyia  |
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Date: 3/27/2001 9:36:00 AM
From Authorid: 11528
A rabbit does not chew its cud. Chewing cud is regurgitating food for a second go around at it. Rabbits do not do this. This error would not be in the bible if it was truly gods written word. Im not debating, I am just answering the question You posted above in your answer to me. |
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Date: 3/27/2001 9:52:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thanks Yardy, and AZ, thats is what faith is all about, I believe it to be Gods word rather the people that put it together messed up on a word here or a word there, I came across another web page that by using math has proven the Bible to be true, but its so long and complicated that I havent posted it, if anyone wants it be sure and ask about it. Enki, thanks for explaining that to me as I didnt know about it. did you see sixguns answer? |
| Date: 3/27/2001 11:25:00 AM Well the last time I checked, Encyclopedia's were not 3 dimensional, like the Bible. If the Bible were not the incredible book it is, it surely would not continue year after year to be one the most sold books... |
Date: 3/27/2001 11:31:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
Firstborn messed up on a word here or there? They messed up on chapters!!! That is right its about faith. I don't think that anyone is going to argue with you about whether or not the bible is the word of God. If they do then they need to pull out a dictionary. There is no point in arguing that fact because it is true. However like I said the question is, is it God'd Word? I don't think so........ .........Azairyia |
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Date: 3/27/2001 11:32:00 AM
From Authorid: 27046
And I am so off key today cause I can't spell!!!!!......LOL........Azairyia |
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Date: 3/27/2001 11:45:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
yes AZ but the point I'm trying to make is that all these men over a span of thousands of years, wrote basically the same message. The whole of the bible from start to finish, is about the plan of salvation and the prophecies of things to come. REad my new posts in debate, God foretold all this would happen and its coming to pass. Many things that God foretold is coming to pass. Or has come to pass. So rather the men that copied the scrolls and tablets and such changed some things as sometimes our english language did not have a proper word for one in Hebrew, rather some of that is changed or not isnt the issue here, the issue is that as a *whole* the Bible does represent what God would have us know. Also God tells us to Pray and seek Him and He will answer us and show us the truth. This also happens, He has shown me plenty. If one were to just study the prophecies in the Bible and what is happening in our news today, they would see prophecy unfold before their very eyes. |
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Date: 3/27/2001 3:35:00 PM
From Authorid: 13354
The problems are not with the Bible itself but with the person or persons who are doing the interpreting. There has been many times I haven't understood something from the Bible, time would pass and then like a lightbulb coming on, it would be as clear as a bell. Without the Holy Spirit helping a person interpret the Bible, you ARE going to find problems with it. If you are trusting the Holy Spirit for interpretation, you are wasting your time trying to understand. It's not going to happen... I'm not directing this at ANYONE in particular, just stating my opinion...  |
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Date: 3/27/2001 3:52:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
and a good opinon it is pam, I agree. |
| Date: 3/27/2001 4:31:00 PM i still believe in God but the bible certainly is not by his hand but of flawed people. mark is a corrected version of matthew (or it might be the other way around) cuz the author was a gentile who didn't know palestinian geography and incorrectly quotes jewish prophets which mark fixes up and adds to. the old prophets in the OT are talking to the audience of their day dealing with the political/religious situations at the time. if the bible in fact was the word of God i'm sure it would be clear to everybody and not interpreted so differently by people. whatever you think God bless yall |
Date: 3/27/2001 10:38:00 PM
From Authorid: 27678
The Holy Bible is the true Word of God. The men who wrote it were inspired by Him to put the words down. Yes, it has been tampered with, no doubt, but the true message is about idolatry and salvation. God hates idolatry, but offers salvation through Jesus Christ, His Son. Free Girl  |
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Date: 3/27/2001 11:11:00 PM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thank you free girl and AA the word of God can be understood but it needs to be spiritualy discerned and any child of God knows that. |
| Date: 3/28/2001 4:05:00 AM not to be mean but why even pose this question if you're not going to address it with intellectual honesty. if you have so much faith in the bible why not look at what real scientific biblical schollarship has to say. not only has the bible been "tampered" with but look at how it originally came to be written. no doubt it was inspired by God but it wasn't ever a direct written communication from God to the many authors. |
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Date: 3/28/2001 4:50:00 AM
From Authorid: 13354
Now wait a minute, no to be mean to you but don't you think you should sign up for a membership before you judge how she looks at the Bible. We don't even know anything about you without that... |
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Date: 3/28/2001 11:47:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thanks Pam, and to the AA. I'm not here to debate the Bible this is why I placed this in the religion section. I'm not into taking the Bible apart for people such as yourself. And I'm sorry but it was a direct communication to man from God under the unction of the HOLY Spirit and then men involved wrote what God told them to write. If man tampered with it, this had nothing to do with God. The over all message is the same Salvation through Grace in the Lord Jesus. |
| Date: 3/30/2001 6:40:00 AM From Authorid: 27603 I would like to point out that in Egyptian historical accounts, you will only find good things happening to the egyptians. That is because it was their practice to only record their victories. They never recorded defeats. That is why you don't find any record of the exodus in Egyptian history. The Pharaoh at the time certainly wouold not have wanted to be remembered as the ruler who let all of his slaves and their mere one God defeat him. There is also evidence in egyptian history that speaks of the 7 years of famine that were recorded in the accoount of Joseph. |
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Date: 3/30/2001 7:16:00 AM
From Authorid: 27603
AA has given a very common "arguement "for the error of genesis. However, let me point out that genesis chapter 1 is giving an overview of the entire creation event. Then in chapter 2 we see a kind of magnified view of particular parts , specifically, the accounts that pertain to Adam and Eve. Chapter 1 says "23 and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day fifth. 24 And God saith, `Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind:' and it is so. 25 And God maketh the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, and God seeth that [it is] good. 26 And God saith, `Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness, and let them rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that is creeping on the earth.' 27 And God prepareth the man in His image; in the image of God He prepared him, a male and a female He prepared them. 28 And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, `Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' 29 And God saith, `Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which [is] the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food; 30 and to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the heavens, and to every creeping thing on the earth, in which [is] breath of life, every green herb [is] for food:' and it is so. 31 And God seeth all that He hath done, and lo, very good; and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day the sixth. Then in chapter 2 we see the more specific account. "Genesis 2 1 And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host; 2 and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made. 3 And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making. 4 These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;" (Notice here the creation account starts over but not at the beginning it starts with the part that pertains to humanity) "5 and no shrub of the field is yet in the earth, and no herb of the field yet sprouteth, for Jehovah God hath not rained upon the earth, and a man there is not to serve the ground, 6 and a mist goeth up from the earth, and hath watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature. 8 And Jehovah God planteth a garden in Eden, at the east, and He setteth there the man whom He hath formed; 9 and Jehovah God causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." (young's Literal translation) If you read chapters 1 and 2 you will notice a kind of hourglass effect. Chapter one starts with the broad expanse of creation and gradually narrows it's focus in on the humans. Then in chapter 2 it starts with the humans and works backward to the rest of creation, still focusing on the activities of the humans. This is a common hebrew writing style. It is not in error, it is specifically writtent to center on God's interaction with humanity. I hope this clears things up a bit. |
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Date: 3/30/2001 11:35:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thank you K.D.O.G I didnt know that. Just a little more proof huh. |
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Date: 3/30/2001 11:36:00 AM ( From Author )
From Authorid: 16671
thanks again K.D.O.G You are a help to me. I apprecaite it. |
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